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      <![CDATA[Proof that  City screwed up - TWO DEAD PEOPLE! <br>
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dont need action report,s CYA memos  etc<br>
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We also had words form those trying to fight the fire with inadequate resources.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Pam Zubeck]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["Curious" suggests we're asking people to accept our report as gospel. Perhaps we are, because while readers are entitled to their opinion, they're not entitled to their own set of facts.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[GISDan1960]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[A very good article that illustrates the need for a free and independent news organization  that doesn't just parrot back what they are told by politicians or cut and pastes press releases. Thanks for not using  the word 'investigation' in the article.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[TejonTech]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Have any of the victims received any of the million dollars we donated or did Bach and the Chief split it between themselves...or did Care and Share and ESM just use it for operations?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Tnek Llewxaml]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Sounds like CSFD could use some new leadership! Why would you alienate yourself from Harveys Type 1 Team?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Mr. K--]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[curious, I see no Indy "demand for a 3rd party investigation."<br>
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The article says, "No third party has been engaged to review the city's performance, which often is requested when a fire kills people." And Ms. Zubeck noted in this blog, "Curious, Your comments actually are a good argument in favor of a four-agency review by an unbiased third party..."<br>
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The Indy did not even ask for a review, much less demand one.
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:24:39 -0700</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Clara McKenna]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[It's never "journalistic misconduct" to demand that a city take a new look at a complex problem. "Journalistic misconduct" might be to fail to act in the face of the information Pam Zubeck has presented.
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:06:39 -0700</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[curious]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[So Mountain Shadows was known to be endangered as of Sunday,  The south portion of Mt. Shadows was on pre-evacuation notice, but not the north portion. The north portion should have been on high alert, but the residents were still seemingly caught unawares when the fire raged out of Queens Canyon and over the ridge and into Mountain Shadows on Tuesday.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:22:49 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Curious, The home values are simply reported for readers to understand the type of structures at risk. You say that by Sunday the immediate danger to Cedar Heights had passed.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:26:15 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[On page 23, Zubeck says: "For days, Cedar Heights, whose 183 single-family homes bear an assessed average value of $546,000, was given high-priority treatment. A total of 14 Springs fire apparatus were posted there the first day, and 23 the second, city records show.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:07:06 -0700</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[TejonTech]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[All of this points to a need to clear the air with an honest review from a third party. Unless they are covering something up and don't want one, which shows the need for the review.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[NorCalFF]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Great article, Pam. It's always educational to review the aftermath of such a tragedy to dig up all the lessons learned.
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:02:57 -0700</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[lucy]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Sounds like the folks of Colorado Springs are lucky to have someone like Pam Zubeck to make sure Big Brother is doing his job/Lucy
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:42:05 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Pam, I'm opposed to doing another, more exhaustive, analysis of the Waldo fire for 2 reasons. 1) It's counterproductive to find out who did what, when, and who failed to do what should have been done, and then assign liability accordingly.
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:36:34 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[My account, not my opinion:<br>
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I live right under the Pikeview Quarry in a subdivision between Mountain Shadows and Peregrine called Oak Valley Ranch. On that dreadful Tuesday, we could easily tell that if the fire would advance into the City, it was going to be that day.
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:26:36 -0700</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[resident of Mountain Shadows]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[As a Mountain Shadows resident who did not lose my home, but who lives VERY near hundreds who did, I will say that I'm forever grateful to the firefighters. The fact that I still have a home is a miracle - one they created.
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:00:27 -0700</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Zen]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Amazing article. Pam, you truly are one of the very best journalists in all of Colorado Springs.
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:56:03 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[The incident commander of this fire in the city limits, whoever that was, had adequate information to make good decisions. From allocating fire apparatus to mountain shadows to evacuation.
        
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      <![CDATA[Pleasure to hear from you, Kirk -- and I sure hope I've not gone soft. I certainly haven't tanned out here, at least...<br>
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      <![CDATA[Curious, Your comments actually are a good argument in favor of a four-agency review by an unbiased third party, who would analyze the response of each participant: the Forest Service, the state, El Paso County and City of Colorado Springs. A review of this nature could result in recommendations for changes in training, preparation and strategy.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:00:23 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[To Sirius Lee: Normally, we’d simply remove a comment like yours, given that it contains personal attacks, and is also both factually inaccurate and libelous. (Pam was not fired from the Gazette; we’re proud to say we hired her away from the Gazette.)
        
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      <![CDATA[There is no need to do another, supposedly impartial, analysis of What Went Wrong in the response to the Waldo fire. The analysis we have is sufficient as it tells us that the pitfalls were in chain of command, communication, and inadequate ground and air support to fight the wildfire once it was out of control.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:14:19 -0700</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Pk Knickerbocker Powell]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Wow Pam, another fine bit of journalism. Thank you for your tenacity in each and every story you write.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[COnative59]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Let me first say that I truly and deeply appreciate every single firefighter and police officer who was involved in the emergency response to the Waldo Canyon fire. I am proud to be part of a community that pulled together in time of great need… starting with our emergency responders all the way down to local businesses and organizations that provided shelter, food, and supplies needed.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Sirius Lee]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Dr. Harrow, just say what you really mean..."I'm going to sue the City of Colorado Springs because I was stupid and not ready to leave my house when I had the chance". Stupid is as stupid does.
        
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          <a href="http://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/Profile?oid=2599268">Sirius Lee</a>]]>
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    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:32:49 -0700</pubDate>
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