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Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

The problem that none of those in favor of the swap want to deal with is this: when the city and the primary movers chose to try and hide their actions, either by presenting the swap as a done deal or refusing to release the appraisals except under duress, they so polluted the process that their valid points became meaningless.

There is a major perception of a breach of public trust. Once that occurs, one can argue in favor of any action until time ends. The process is polluted. The participants have failed to act within their responsibilities as citizens and public servants. Coming on top of a number of city issues, including City for Champions, it simply tells the public that they are not worth the trouble unless the law requires a vote to rubber stamp the action of a few.

You cannot have republican democracy only when it is convenient to the power structure and expect anything but doubt and disbelief in the system.

Posted by Clara McKenna on 05/23/2016 at 11:42 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

I say keep the ponies and horses in the zoo, wait they had been there but the zoo couldn't seem to handle them and got rid of them.....seems like the BroAdmoor and the businesses they give money to, are on the Boards of, etc. etc. are all in favor of the swap and are now villianizing the citizens that oppose it....what folks are forgetting is that the BroAdmoor said NO when the City approached them about purchasing a few of the properties the BroAdmoor has in the deal. Jack Damioli, CEO, of the BroAdmoor very publically said the BroAdmoor is not a willing seller of the lands, but seems eager to get rid of the properties in a "trade" that would benefit them, over time, the most....A few words come to mind in this scenario: cronyism, coercion, bribery....

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Posted by Rubia Rowell on 05/23/2016 at 11:35 PM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

Pam, simply outstanding! Thank you for being a champion for the citizens of Colorado Springs! They deserve to know the truth.

Posted by John C. Spengler on 05/23/2016 at 11:23 PM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

let's hope the City Council members are well aware of the when, where, why, and how the land swap endorsements are being given. Of all those in favor of the BroAdmoor taking our public land (instead of selling us the land the BroAdmoor truly doesn't want) it would appear that many if not most supporters are in some way, shape, or form connected to the BroAdmoor professionally or personally......

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Posted by Rubia Rowell on 05/23/2016 at 10:58 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Old Philly Anschluss is pulling out all the stops to accomplish his latest land grab. He looks desperate at this point. I wonder how much it cost him to get the faceless Zoo board to sign this last minute letter?

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Posted by Jim Bensberg on 05/23/2016 at 7:17 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Bye zoo. You have an agenda far removed from what's good for this city.

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Posted by steeverw on 05/23/2016 at 5:37 PM

Re: “Lathen leaving BOCC early to head C.S. Forward

Just back from a quick visit to CSF website (link above). I learned that the purpose of CSF is to create a dynamic & vibrant community that we will all be proud to call home. Being proud of our backward thinking, wildfire, flood water and landslide prone hick town, one that is infested with developers and bark beetles, requires that the City for Champion projects go forward, posthaste. Particularly challenging for C4C visionaries and the CSF alliance of individuals and organizations is finding funding for the unpopular-with-the-taxpaying-hicks downtown stadium/event center. But this difficult mission, which may actually be Mission Impossible, has just hired a leader who is expected to convert what is now only an idea of a stadium into a $300M asphalt and concrete great-big-gray-thing - looking not so very different from the nearby despised Drake power plant - which is to be plopped down next to the definitely-to-be-built iconic Olympic Museum.

Lathen, an early and notable proponent of building the $300M stadium using sales tax revenue without a vote of approval from the citizens - money which could instead be used to fill 300M potholes with asphalt - is in charge of accomplishing what may prove to be impossible. There's a lesson in this which is: when you want to get something done and you need someone with access to City Leaders, hire a career politician who is temporarily between jobs.

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Posted by curious on 05/23/2016 at 5:13 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Apparently, NIMBY arguments are just fine when made by the CM Zoo, but not ok when made by "80906ers", as Mayor Suthers deemed the neighbors around Strawberry Fields.

But you know what, I was fine with their statement. Until.............

They made a demeaning assumption that our intention is simply "about winning". That is insulting, to say the least.

Do we want to win? Yes, of course! But what gives the zoo's board of directors the right to assume that our "intention is no longer about what is best for all involved"? Keeping public lands in public hands and out of commercial development? That matters! That is best.

The Chamberlain Trail is a great idea, but we still need to get more connections down through private properties, and you know what? Phil Anschutz, out of the kindness of his heart and concern for our city, could very easily have given the city those easements when the city first asked about them in December of 2014. But he didn't.

I'm never going to the zoo again. Ever.

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Posted by suesun on 05/23/2016 at 4:53 PM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

Picture your favorite touchdown celebration and see me doing it. Excellent catch Pam. The Gazette can't hold a candle to your reporting and the Independent.
Thank you!!

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Posted by Sdpseo Gupta on 05/23/2016 at 11:08 AM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

The Gazette has no shame. In one paragraph NIMBY bad - Another paragraph NIMBY good. The only real source of true information from the media on this issue is Pam Zubeck and the Indy. Thanks Pam!

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Posted by Mike Dorsey on 05/23/2016 at 10:43 AM

Re: “Lathen leaving BOCC early to head C.S. Forward

Not sure spelling is important in this issue. Mrs. Lathen (with an 'e') is partially responsible for the term limit fiasco that prevents her from a third term. When taken out of 'county polititics' and thrown into the realm of the community at large, city wide, she barely made 11,000 votes in the most recent mayoral race.

Obvious the public does not want her in a leadership role. She will fit in well with CSF who also have failed to achieve any of their originally published 'six pillars' other than to be a political action committee.

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 05/23/2016 at 10:29 AM

Re: “Lathen leaving BOCC early to head C.S. Forward

Lathen's name is misspelled in the caption under her photo. Come on guys!

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Re: “A lot to give in Manitou

I do not know much about all this but "land swap" seems a strange title as I am unclear what land is being traded and how does a mayor decide on his own what to do with public property? Why is it a trade with Broadmoor and not with the owner of the Broadmoor? Broadmoor is not an incorporated city is it? When one person in city government decides to deal with a billionaire and uses taxpayer holdings as the main item to deal I would have expected an immediate recall vote to commence. Especially since the same person insisted on a vote to raise tax for road repair without asking where the revenue that should have been used had gone to. This "land swap" has "kick back" written all over it, at least the ear marks and missing tax money should get Mister Law and Order's attention immediately. But I don't know anything except I do not care if the whole city were traded for some baseball cards. (Hint to the baseball fan city government that talks "ball park downtown" plans a lot, make sure that they are at least rookie cards of well known players)

For those like myself who want to learn about government but found it complicated here is the best way: Listening to politicians say all of what they are going to do for you and your city does not educate you. However if you watch and see what they do not do then that is precisely what they are actually required and supposed to be doing! End of lesson.

Have they indicated anything about the upcoming road work? Are they straight up about it and saying what a massive project it will be? They cannot just fill holes. miles and miles of roads must be torn up and repaved almost 6000 miles. And done right with proper drainage and banking. What company will do it? They will need 100 companies and a decade to do it. Hopefully employees will all be local but I doubt it...

What a huge mess and the citizens are not up in arms! Amazing......I really hope code enforcement writes no more warnings or tickets for about 20 years, it just would not be right.

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Posted by Robert Wyman on 05/21/2016 at 11:09 PM

Re: “Opponents make final pitch before City Council land swap vote

FreeWoman! I totally agree with your thoughts but also believe the vote has been paid for. How do you think each member will vote?

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 05/21/2016 at 11:03 PM

Re: “Opponents make final pitch before City Council land swap vote

Robert: You have the vote count all wrong! It's too bad all the Council members did not attend the Tuesday forum. There was a lot of new information which could make a difference in the vote.

WAKE UP PEOPLE! The appraisals were fixed and the public meetings were held mainly after the fact. General Palmer is turning over in his grave.

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Posted by LadyLiberty on 05/21/2016 at 6:19 PM

Re: “Lathen leaving BOCC early to head C.S. Forward

Joel, can you support the statement that CSF threatened to drag her family into the mud over the Maketa issue if she refused? I do recall the part of her being offered the chief of staff job, I don't remember that it was offered by CSF, but I wouldn't argue with you on that, but I just don't have any memory from reading the news or attending any of the candidate forums about CSF and the Maketa thing.

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Posted by silver bullet on 05/21/2016 at 4:21 PM

Re: “Opponents make final pitch before City Council land swap vote

Anybody making book on where the council members stand on this issue? - for1:44 pm MDT on 21 May 2016 a.d, could this be the tote:

Against: Mr. Murray - Ms. Collins
For: Mr. King - Mrs. Gaebler - Mr. Pico - Mr. Bennett
Undecided: Mr. Knight - Mr. Bagley - Mr. Strand

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 05/21/2016 at 1:45 PM

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