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Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise


My Bad! You are entirely correct; it was Winston Churchill on my clumsily worded re-writing of his famous quote.

And he also said:

"The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Was that before or after 'The Arsenal of Democracy' did it's thing?

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Posted by R Wehner on 04/05/2017 at 12:57 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

I find it odd that LeLoupe faults the retired military community for our ills. If there's bah humbug conservatism here it's the evangelical community leading the assault on science, modernization and scaring away desirable corporate firms. The military embraces modernization and science, but if the evangelicals had their neanderthal way the Army would still be using muzzle loaders and charge into battle riding in covered wagons..

One main issue keeping firms away is the destructive effects of TABOR and our crumbling infrastructure. The anti-tax crowd in concert with the evangelicals want nothing better than destroying government, though each for their own purposes. Together these fools have made the city a national laughing stock. It'll take a generation of hard work to overcome this, and the prognosis is at best 50-50 for success. Any thought of spending money here is an uphill slog.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/05/2017 at 12:51 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

With these new council members maybe we can now actually move toward renewable energy as fast as the community has been asking for. We know we can close Drake and get by just fine - as we did in 2014 when it was shut down due to the fire for all of the peak summer months. Hopefully we'll now have a majority on the Utility Board who care about the pollution from burning coal in the middle of down town and who care about the image of the city. Forward we go with the rest of the state. We are lagging far behind every other city in renewable energy.
Loved the comments from leloupe above!

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Posted by Jacquie Ostrom on 04/05/2017 at 12:47 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Cool results. Glad to see Mr. Skorman win, he really cares about the city. Irony is that Skorman lives up to the GOP "ideal" of bootstrapping oneself to success but the GOP types here seem to hate him. (No one ever said GOP types were logical, mostly they vote emotionally on god, gays, guns, abortion, etc.)

I don't want any part of CS Utilities sold off to greedsters of the corporate world. When that happens you can expect your rates to go up at least 25% or more. Someone STILL has to generate our power so why not OUR own utility firm. Instead of the wealthy collecting dividend checks made possible by having us pay higher rates, all of us can bank our savings from low utility very for all...all for one. Beware clowns yelling about free markets, there are none, and if we fall for that tired old ideological claptrap we'll end up screwed beyond belief.

Glad that CS Forward didn't have its way. Developers will still make their fortunes, just not so easily. Maybe now we can get better value in our developments, but don't count on it. My dealings with some of them showed their disdain for anything but greedy profit and disdain for anyone but themselves. The ruthless must be held accountable.

Maybe now this new city council will move forward with the will of the people to allow recreational MJ sales in the city.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/05/2017 at 12:37 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Ms Westerbur

Actually, Colorado Springs has been, I think, quite fortunate to have had a long run of very good city government as far back as I can remember through 1950 with very good, dedicated and capable people! Until around 2003.

The time when a level of disruptive divisiveness seems to have begun is around 2003 when Lionel Rivera was elected Mayor with Sallie Clark jumping ship as a city council member to run for mayor then making her way to the position of county commissioner which marks the start of the polarization in local politics right through the present with her associate Amy Lathen 'jumping ship' as a county commissioner to take a position as head of Colorado Springs Forward; many who seem to feel is indirectly responsible for the negative tone of this past election - aided and abetted by the political action committee some claim DeDe Laugesen is a major player in.

Clark being the one who basically told the public they would not be allowed their constitutional right to 'petition government' with her refusal to allow a citizen request for a second vote over her failed attempt to self-create a third term for herself as a county commissioner. Google or search the Indy for in depth reporting on this blatant misuse of position and the resultant outcome that commissioners are now limited to just two terms in office.

This process has seemingly come full circle now with Clark only on the periphery and Lathen having just led what has been on of the greatest local political failures in recent memory! The public was quite clear in the last mayoral race they did not want Amy Lathen as their mayor and on Tuesday, the public made it quite clear they have little use for Colorado Springs Forward. Under-thinking, Over-Arrogant types seem to create issues!

Now, with the new council, there is the chance for a period of calm and rational leadership that has the potential of seeing economic progress becoming a reality. This appears to have the makings of a very decent city council once the cat-fighting - that will soon develop - over who will be 'President of Council' is resolved and the loser deals with it and moves on to deal with city business!

The key is that we have a stable form of government that overcomes the harm done from time to time by unstable players.

With CSF having been cut to geldings, Jeff Greene should begin to fade more into the background and a new period of calm will hopefully prevail once an accord can be reached with the development community which has so much to bring to the table once they learn they do not actually own or run the table!

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Posted by R Wehner on 04/05/2017 at 12:34 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

R Wehner, IIRC, you are trying to quote Churchill, not Jefferson. Most of our founding fathers did not much like democracy.

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Posted by Odin on 04/05/2017 at 12:29 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

It saddens me to think of the on-the-ground good that could have been done with all the funds thrown at this election campaign by Colorado Springs Forward, HBA and the shadowy CCPOC group. And all for nothing ..... which, had they not been so arrogant, they would have known.

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Posted by Mur on 04/05/2017 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Megan Larmie explores John Steinbeck's The Pearl at TwentyOne8

Thanks for your feedback and your readership! Her work's really eye-catching I can't wait to see it in person for the first time.

Posted by Griffin Swartzell on 04/05/2017 at 11:13 AM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

I'd really like to see some type of history reported. When was the last time we had a city council that might actually represent us for a change? Has it ever happened before?

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Posted by Summer Wilson Westerbur on 04/05/2017 at 10:44 AM

Re: “What Colorado Springs is — and isn't — all about

The moron activists don't even understand that most fascist indicators or aims are collectivist and Leftist. The pro-nationalism facet of a couple historical fascist movements is all their DNC/MSNBC/CNN-numbed/conditioned minds get, hence the immature and shallow antifa group-think minions....

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Posted by Infidel01 on 04/05/2017 at 10:25 AM

Re: “Reader: Defund public media, it'll be fine

People like Don McCullen think they have it all figured out, but they don't recognize how woefully uneducated they are. McCullen just wants to believe that what he hears from Faux News and Rush is the gospel truth. When other media sources publish viewpoints that he doesn't agree with, he attacks progressives!
Public radio and TV, some of the finest news programs in our nation, are considered to be an enemy of the people because their crime is to educate the public, not to spout the right wing line.
Anyone who watches commercial media knows how much time is devoted to advertising. I appreciate that PBS and NPR don't bombard us with commercial manipulation, and the programming is just the best. Taxpayer dollars spent on public broadcasting are well spent, too bad Doug is too ignorant to acknowledge that. Lets get out of the "Right-wingo universe" that Trump and his dull supporters are spinning these days.

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Posted by prairie chix on 04/05/2017 at 9:56 AM

Re: “What Colorado Springs is — and isn't — all about

Ho w do I get involved in anti-progressive activism?

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Posted by Not You on 04/05/2017 at 9:42 AM

Re: “Megan Larmie explores John Steinbeck's The Pearl at TwentyOne8

Great article - I've seen some of her other work at galleries across town. I really appreciate her technique. The pieces she produces are rich in texture and depth. The stark contrast between colors and designs is eye catching and creates a sense of abrupt change.

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Posted by pschwalb on 04/05/2017 at 9:07 AM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

And for some reason, most likely related to my own ineptitude, the link to the" Ranked Choice Page" did not enter as a hyperlink - resorting to the tried and true 'Cut and Paste' will take you there albeit with one extra step!

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Posted by R Wehner on 04/05/2017 at 9:02 AM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Thomas Jefferson once stated something along the lines that:

"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all others!" But - it is one that has served us well since September 17, 1787. The municipal election just passed was expensive and some have mentioned it may have been somewhat 'negative' in tone.

In order to level the playing field between separate special interest groups - to reduce the level of negative attack ads, to eliminate the need for run-off elections - - what are your thoughts on the system known as 'Ranked Choice Voting' and it's potential as a voting system for Colorado Springs? Please share your thoughts as a working group is forming to explore this system of voting. Thank you.

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Posted by R Wehner on 04/05/2017 at 8:54 AM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Really, Crow-Iverson is blaming the media for the negativity that SHE generated? So glad she's not planning on running again.

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Posted by MargRita W on 04/05/2017 at 8:35 AM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Pico is a problem. Too bad he's still on Council. While he may have good intentions, he gives off the impression of being dull, boring and unimaginative. More specifically, he's the greatest single obstacle to modernizing our locally owned utility. We should be moving forward with decentralizing and democratizing power generation with incentivizing rooftop solar. Right now, CSU and Pico are blocking this, and it will cost us dearly. In the future, utilities will primarily be energy brokers and distribution managers, not generators. We can get on board now or later.

While our retired military community finds some needed representation in Pico and Knight, they are ultimately liabilities in managing the 'brand' of Colorado Springs. Their plodding brand of bah-humbug conservatism will cause many of those talented workers we need to look to the north instead, and the businesses to follow.

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Posted by leloupe on 04/05/2017 at 12:21 AM

Re: “Choice of lesbian commandant at Air Force Academy stirs debate

Glad I am a Traditional Sioux Indian (Combat Veteran too- 110 missions Vietnam - Marine F-4 pilot) . Our belief is that Benevolent Creator made all. Gays conveyed to me they are born their Way. We Sioux must respect All that Creator makes - period. All races are examples. Creator made all flora and fauna to live in Harmony. Get the idea? You will eventually once you reach that Spirit World Beyond! Ed McGaa, Former Marine Major.

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Posted by Ed McGaa on 04/04/2017 at 11:01 PM

Re: “Space Foundation names Thomas Zelibor as new leader

Annual Space Weapons protest in Colorado Springs:

Posted by Bill Burns on 04/04/2017 at 5:44 PM

Re: “Choice of lesbian commandant at Air Force Academy stirs debate

"Choice of lesbian commandant at Air Force Academy stirs debate"

No, not really.

Right now there seems to be a much bigger conversation in the graduate community about combing the CEO positions for the Endowment organization and the Association of Graduates. Most grads I've spoken to aren't really making this that big a deal. She seems to be highly qualified and and a very successful fellow graduate. Let's leave it at that.

Best of luck in the new job Gen Goodwin!

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Posted by Scott Hente on 04/04/2017 at 4:34 PM

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