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Re: “The way of the gun”
Bobbi Whiner and Spacie Stacie would be better served spending their money on penile implants than machine stamped penile avatars....sad LITTLE men.
Posted by
Boomer49
on 12/23/2012 at 7:46 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Robert Wyman, why are you calling Rich Tosches a bastard? Geez, man. Dial it back a little bit. You sound psychotic. You're spouting off like you want to shoot someone, and you don't want to do that, do you?
You're bloviating. Stop doing that. Look for focus in your arguments, and support your claims in a more systematic manner. For what it's worth, I support Second Amendment rights, too, to a degree, but arguments like yours do more damage than good. Binaries don't really apply, here. People can own weapons without having to own assault rifles. Does this make sense?
Posted by
LarryO
on 12/22/2012 at 2:26 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Wow, what a dazzling emotional display from the guy who also hates tall people that can afford to buy better seats than him at a concert, not so much Andy Rooney from 60 minutes but more like Mickey Rooney from "The Last Night of a Jockey" Twilight Zone episode (I wanna be big!). But I digress, he really sounds like he "cares". Except that he doesn't seem to care about the Mexican children slaughtered with Obamas "fast and furious" weapons supplied to Mexican druglords. And he doesn't seem to care about the 167 Pakistani children slaughtered by Obamas illegal drone war. So to give this the Tosches/Lamborn treatment, "Rich Tosches wants to take weapons from Americans and give them to Syrians, Lybians, and Mexicans (druglords only)". Yeah, that sounds about right. Why don't you care about children that aren't white Rich? Why?
Posted by
Stacy in Woodland Park
on 12/21/2012 at 11:06 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Thank you, Rich, for putting into words what so many of us are thinking and feeling. That hard knot of grief and anger in my heart let loose and I was able to cry. I'm still sad and angry, but more hopeful that the tide is turning in this country.
Posted by
Rhonda Van Pelt
on 12/21/2012 at 10:58 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Robert Wyman, you are the perfect example of one of the over zealous NRA psychos. Your negative snarky tyrade clearly shows you are missing the point. Responsible gun ownership should not include assault rifles or similiar fire arms. Why would you need a fire arm like that? My guess is your are one of the ultraconservative paranoid republicans or tea party people who feel more important, powerful, and fullfilled because of their weapons and pro gun sentiments. You must be making up for another inadequacy in your life. I love Tosches comments he gets his point across using his snarky, sarcastic humor. Have a nice day!
Posted by
maico
on 12/21/2012 at 6:44 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
BigMac! What caliber is an AR-15? What is a "hunting rifle" as opposed to whatever kind of rifle anyone can conjure up? Does the Second Amendment say anything about hunting? Dianne Feinstein? Do you know who that is? US Senator Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
BigMac where do you get your info and why do you think I will fall for your "I am a gun owner" line? I do not care if you own one or not. My point is that it is my Right and if that makes me an extremist in your eyes then you have a problem. Why do say God help us? Who is Rambo and what is wrong with stockpiling anything? Hilary Clinton said she duck hunted with her rifle all the time. She is a liar or a manipulator. It is dangerous, stupid and in most places illegal to hunt water fowl with a rifle. Was she arrested for her admission of a crime? We do not need to defend ourselves because we have police is probably what you think (since you can jump to conclusions about me then ...hey...) but what about this headline: "Settlements in Colorado Springs police officer child molestation cases reach $9.4 million". Do some research on police corruption and also find out how many law-abiding people use firearms everyday to defend themselves. Or be a charlatan and spout the crap I have heard for 58 years. Call me a murderer and I will slap you stupid. It is your style of laziness and attempts at conning others that irritates me to no end. Independent readers are generally lazy hippies who shoot heroin and live on welfare. They want us all disarmed so that they can rob us without fear... how's that for stereotypical BS? In Aurora you have proof that gun control works: Only one person had a gun. Blood is on your hands there gun control FREAKS NUTS ENTHUSIASTS!
Keep your "guns" locked up BigMac. As for me, maybe I do maybe I don't. Concealed carry? Maybe, maybe not. Anyone want to take that chance and try to rob or assault me? I do not hide behind a stupid username either. I am a proud American not a gun nut or a murderer and I will defend anyone's Rights under the Constitution. Many have died for you to have those Rights and if you know of a better country by all means go there and live.
Judy Slason's comment is asinine as well as Pokey's...
Posted by
Robert Wyman
on 12/20/2012 at 11:55 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
I am a gun owner (hunting rifles, unloaded, locked in a gun safe), a sportsman, target shooter and a former NRA member. I am also a parent. We cannot ignore the fact that some guns have no purpose other than to harm other humans and we need to put reasonable limits on them. It is absurd and untrue to argue that Dems or "liberals" are advocating for a total ban on the sale or ownership of all firearms but that is what extremists always assert in order to argue against ANY limits on ANY kind of guns. They create an imaginary and extreme foe to justify stockpiling ammunition and, in a public display of the most perverse logic, buy up the very same AR-15s that were used in Aurora and Sandy Hook because they fear they won't have access to the same weapon used not by hunters or target shooters but by mass murderers and Rambo wannabes. God help us.
Posted by
Bigmac
on 12/20/2012 at 10:34 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
I would like to extend an invite to Tosches to debate me about firearms and what purpose they serve. Judging by this piece of crap he has penned Tosches has an axe to grind, a fear of firearms (which usually stems from ignorance) and a very twisted method to voice his animosity at those who have different views on what this country is about. "extreme right-wing Republican Second Amendment drum" is the phrase that is a red flag as to Tosches ignorance on American history and his vapid thought process. The Second Amendment is quite clear, if you have trouble understanding it then your school failed you in a big way.
The total gall though is that it is Tosches who uses this tragedy to beat his drum on his political leanings. Tosches uses the dead purely, and it cannot be more clear, to beat his own "drum". Then he blames those who support our Bill of Rights as being responsible! One man is responsible, not me and I resent the implications of a half-assed humorist basically calling me a murderer. As Tosches uses low-grade humor to try and skewer the politicos he uses low-grade logic to push his anti-Bill of Rights stance. Michael Moore used tragedy to further his financial status and I will guess that is what Tosches is attempting but the venue available to him is a weekly rag of no consequence just as is his column.
Anti-gun anti-Rights people have changed their phrasing but it is the same goal:total ban. Here is something else for you, Mr. Tosches to chew on:Trot down to Walmart or a sporting goods shop and pick up 10 "bricks" of .22 caliber rimfire ammunition for me please. I will pay you twice what you paid. (A "brick" is 500 rounds and I just want regular everyday ammo, should be about 20 bucks per 500 rounds) An easy 200 dollars right? No, it is sold out everywhere. Why? Because, and here is where it gets real good, every time a Democrat is elected to the Presidency those who believe in the Bill of Rights buy up ammo and weapons due to the fact that Democrats are ceaseless in their efforts to outlaw firearms! So people run out and buy firearms and ammo hence .22 ammo is scarce. So you and your party of nannies actually stimulate the sales of items you claim to want to ban! Are you idiots or is there a kick-back deal happening? I do not know and you know what else? I do not care.
If you want to start dumping Rights let's start with your bread and butter Tosches, The First Amendment. Freedom of Speech. You enjoy that Right and your "humor" column which has never had humor and this, your "dead bodies are my fault" column of finger pointing while totally absurd, rife with libel and slander yet still published none the less. Not only that, it is published by something called "Independent" which spouts freedom and marijuana ads, letters from a few thinkers and many morons, critics abound and reporters seem to have no editor plus the whole thing is FREE (the irony) (far from independent as it chock full of advertising. Now it's chock full of the worst of the worst which is you Mr. Tosches).
By the way, to everyone who thinks "God" is banned from places, read the goddam Bill of Rights again and again until you find the part about banning religion. You won't. It is the First Amendment that prohibits government from telling you to whom to pray or telling where. You can pray all day in school and nobody can stop you. That's right but apparently too many prayed during US History class and missed learning what this country is about and now you are trying to teech me? Please. I find that pathetic and dangerous. It is also probably why The Second Amendment angers you, you do not know how to read or you are just plain retarded. Don't like that comment? Too bad, I am free to say it.
Tosches is a literary midget and should refrain from writing anything lest he enjoys appearing even more stupid. Those who agree with his offensive statements here have my unending disdain. Either we are free or we are not, there is no in between. Many children in the future will suffer if the citizens in this country do not wise up so don't cry for a few and blame me, cry for the millions of children that your ignorance today will certainly doom tomorrow. Blame yourselves.
I will await your answer to my invite Mr. Tosches. I shan't hold my breath however. Using tragedy to push your selfish agenda?! you are a bastard, Sir.
Posted by
Robert Wyman
on 12/20/2012 at 8:27 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Who are the insane people that do this to these kids. We've got to save our children....no prob, I'm on it just after I get done watching Sons of Anarchy, but, eh, those aren't are children, so we let them die a brutal death as usual, right? Hell yea, man. I only get my undies in a bind over white kids from America.
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Posted by
Clem Samuels
on 12/20/2012 at 7:32 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Adam Lanza was not a gun enthusiast he was a very sick individual who broke the law. What no one seems to be verbalizing is that the blame of this tragedy sits squarely on his murdered mothers shoulders. She knew her son had "issues" she had the financial means to have him mentally supervised and she had firearms readily available for a mentally unsound individual to have access to. In HER home she stored firearms fully knowing there WERE problems with her son.The NRA did not put the firearms in her house and the NRA does not condone mentally unstable people having access to firearms. This dead Mother lost her life due to her negligence and enabled her unstable son to cause horrific tragedy.The blame for what her son did should be placed directly on her.IF she had removed the firearms from her home and had him get the serious mental treatment he needed we would not be mourning the loss of so many souls.
Posted by
Candace Covnot
on 12/20/2012 at 4:32 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
The fact that laws were written, debated and passed (by real people, not God) to allow a variant of an M16 - designed to kill humans - to be easily (much less legally) obtained by civilians means that the deaths of the children are "politicized" a priori. It would be a more radically (and despicably) "political" move to do nothing or otherwise try and silence meaningful conversation about preventing the deaths of children.
This doesn't mean we can't disagree about gun control, but it does mean that it's deplorable to pretend like concerned parents being upset that assault-f*cking-rifles are being legally obtained to be used on children is somehow an inappropriate reaction.
Posted by
Wyatt H. Miller
on 12/20/2012 at 1:54 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
I could make a more compelling argument that the parents are much more responsible for this kid's actions than whatever device he happened to use. But, would the anti-gun zealots listen?
Why is it that some folks are always looking for some outside force or inanimate object to blame for the ills of the world? Why not take a personal inventory and control yourselves and the people with which you are responsible?
I know, it's just too hard.
Posted by
siggie
on 12/20/2012 at 9:22 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
How many more mass shootings need to occur before we take significant action to prevent them? Why would the average citizen need an assault rifle? Why do people need to have their own private stockpile of guns? Why are assault available for purchase to the average citizen? There was Columbine, Sandy Hook, and too many more of this type of violent and tragic events that lead to way too many deaths. Paranoid people seem to think they are protecting themselves and their families by having their own private arsenal. To the people who own guns for their own protection, how many times have you actually used it to protect yourself? We received a gun as a unwelcome gift from a relative 25 years ago, my husband shot it once, and it has never been used since. Yet we have stayed healthy, we have not been robbed, attacked or assaulted. God forbid if something were to happen we have the one gun if we need to protect ourselves but we will have to find the bullets first. Bottom line, serious actions and legislation needs to be taken and implemented to help prevent further tragic events like this. We need to wake up and take measures to prevent this from happening again. The over zealous NRA pyschos needs to wake up and smell the coffee. You worship guns and do not seem to take into consideration the tragic events that occur because of ample access to assault weapons and other firearms. I understant there are many responsible and intelligent gun owners who do not have an emotional relationsiop with their guns and hopefully many more will join their ranks.
Posted by
maico
on 12/20/2012 at 6:57 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
What the hell are you huffing sigsig?
If the deaths of 20 kids (half of one of town's GS/Brownie troops was wiped out for Christ's sake) isn't an occasion for political/social action what the hell is?
What's it gonna take to push the nation into repelling the mendacity of the NRA/GOA and Cadman, Gardner, Lamborn and their unstable constituents who would rather spend their money on penile avatars rather than mental health treatments?
From the roof tops we should shout the names of all the nation's shooting victims, every day.
Every hour we should remember those sacrificed on the gun makers altar of greed, bigotry and fear.
Posted by
Boomer49
on 12/19/2012 at 6:42 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Excellent commentary, Mr. Tosches. Thanks as well for including several of the more outrageous (and illuminating) comments voiced by Cadman, Gardner, and Lamborn.
Posted by
Quid pro quo
on 12/19/2012 at 5:54 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Ms. Slason: I can't speak for Republicans, as I am not one. My thoughts on guns are loosely defined in a post in the "letter section".
Politicizing the deaths of innocents is a shameful exploit in order to pound a political drum, whether it be gun control or taking God out of schools.
Your comment "Saving our children is a concept even Republicans should be able to grasp." is a cheap partisan shot which ranks below that of politicizing the tragedy.
You should be more ashamed than Tosches.
Why is it that zealots rarely (read never) see themselves in the wrong?
Now, if you want to talk about psychosis or sociopathy or parental discipline or personal responsibility, then you may be on to something.
Posted by
siggie
on 12/19/2012 at 5:40 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Siggie - I saw nothing political in what Rich said. Saving our children is a concept that even Republicans should be able to grasp.
Posted by
Judy Slason
on 12/19/2012 at 3:55 PM
Re: “The way of the gun”
Thank you Rich. This one is a class act.
Posted by
pokey
on 12/19/2012 at 11:33 AM
Re: “The way of the gun”
This was the most cogent an heartfelt, as well as accurate article I have read on the tragedy. As a former elementary school teacher, I am saddened by the mentality of fear that would not advocate for a ban on assault weaponry and adjunct ammunition clips. The NRA has proposed a panic-based solution that would further its aims of arms proliferation in this country. Shame on our society .