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Re: “Wish We Were Here killed as KRCC adapts to survive

Colorado College should exert some humanitarian and egalitarian ideals on their runaway Pop/NPR/Corporate media outlet. The last thing Colorado Springs needs is another PEAK-FM. If this GM and her happy sycophants want another pop megastation, they should quit KRCC and apply at the Peak and quit ruining public radio.

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Posted by Jonny Quest on 07/13/2016 at 1:00 PM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

obliosupercat;
Atheism itself does NOT say “there is no god”. That is a common misunderstanding of what atheism is. Individual atheists ALSO make that mistake when responding to the assertion that there IS a god. All any atheist SHOULD say is “I don’t share your faith in the existence of a supreme being.” (Sorry to use the personal pronoun “your”. I don’t (and didn’t) mean to refer to obliosupercat specifically. I make no assumptions regarding obliosupercat's faith).
Atheism is simply a lack of faith in the existence of a god. There is no more “proof” that there is NO god than there is “proof” that there IS a god. “Proof” has NO role to play, and is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to this discussion…same with the word “evidence”. Atheists understand this, and defiantly should not use such words. As you have pointed out, such a discussion is “… a futile exercise”. Atheists simply do not possess faith and they should leave it at that.

Yet you insist:
“Atheists DO have faith that there is no supreme being.”

Do you exercise faith to NOT believe in leprechauns?

I hope you can understand how silly or absured it would be for me to state emphatically:
“obliosupercat DOES have faith that there are no leprechauns”.

That you seem to be incapable of conceiving of someone NOT having faith, is no justification for you to project faith upon someone who simply doesn’t have faith.

I don’t know why you brought up “agnosticism”. Babies are NOT born “agnostics” with the cognitive ability to contemplate the existence of a god, much less whether one exists or not.
I have a bone to pick with so called “agnostics” too. To “suspend judgement” as to whether there exists a god or not is simply another way to acknowledge that faith in such a being is lacking, and without faith, well, they’re atheists. There is no such thing as an “agnostic”. One has faith, or one does not have faith. To express the idea that the jury might still be out does not have anything to do with whether or not an individual possesses faith.
Why is such a simple concept as atheism so difficult to understand? Why do theists burden atheism with the theological baggage that theists require to affirm their FAITH? The simple lack of faith requires no affirmations, and is unquestionable.

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Posted by asawatcher on 07/13/2016 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Public Market eyes Labor Day opening

Glad to know that this is a 'step one' location. I've been a bit bummed by the reduction in scope from the original plans. Bring it on CSPM! Let's get this thing going!

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Posted by CeCe Beauchamp on 07/13/2016 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

asawatcher. As I stated, The existence or non-existence of a god cannot be proven using any extant logical method, so both views rely on faith. Atheists belief in the non-existence of a deity are based on faith, not sound logic and fact. What you are describing is closer to agnosticism, agnosticism is a position that suspends judgement on all matters of faith, in other words since the existence or non-existence of a deity cannot be proven, the only logical position is to suspend judgement until a time when facts that support either theism or atheism are logically supported. Agnostics simply don't give a damn whether god exists or not, taking a position one way or another results in the same logical fallacies, and is considered a futile exercise. Atheists DO have faith that there is no supreme being, it is an act of faith, due to the lack of evidence to support this belief. Embracing atheism is as much a conscious choice as embracing theism, since we are truly born agnostic. Contrary to you assertion, atheists DO engage in faith, agnostics do not. As for your assumption that I have faith in a supreme being; well, you know what the say about assumptions?

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Posted by obliosupercat on 07/13/2016 at 9:52 AM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

obliosupercat;
With all due respect, you have expressed a couple of the more common mistaken ideas as to what atheism is.
Like when you write:
“…this includes folks who do not share your belief in the atheist religion.”

Atheism is not a religion. It is the ABSENCE of religion. Sorta the “unreligion”. That’s why the word “atheism” is not capitalized.

“Since the existence or non-existence of god cannot be proven through any formal method of logic, both rely on faith and ego.”

Here you express the common failure to recognize the ESSENTIAL difference between a theist and an atheist: atheists simply do NOT engage faith. Theists and atheists share most “beliefs”. What they DON’T share is “faith”. Faith is the essential ingredient of theism. Without faith, there is no religion. The difference between a theist and an atheist is NOTHING MORE than the fact that atheists do not share your faith in the existence of a Supreme Being (a god).
Keep in mind that you were born an atheist. Embracing faith is a conscious choice that theists make. Atheists, simply, do not make that choice.

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Posted by asawatcher on 07/13/2016 at 9:01 AM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

Cathy. Are atheists issued cards now? From a logical standpoint atheism and religion suffer from the same set of logical fallacies. Since the existence or non-existence of god cannot be proven through any formal method of logic, both rely on faith and ego. We have freedom of speech in this country. We are all entitled to say whatever we want, without being censored, this includes folks who do not share your belief in the atheist religion. Is freedom of speech only for card carrying members of your club? Do you issue and revoke the cards yourself? If you want to put your money where your mouth is I'm sure you can purchase your own ad space, until you do, you don't really have a bench to call "mine".

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Posted by obliosupercat on 07/12/2016 at 10:56 PM

Re: “The times, they are a' changin'

Nice. Let's hear more about diversity, inclusion, and acceptance. We need more stories with positive vibes in our world, so keep them coming! 😎

Posted by MarkM on 07/12/2016 at 8:00 PM

Re: “Paul Ryan’s spoonful of snake oil

So you're calling the same party that enacted TARP, and found it did nothing to help the economy out over saying no to more spending on nothing? So it's ok to simply not allow something to come up and be discussed but hear it out and have a vote is bad ? Under Harry Reid that's what happened, and he even put in to actuon the rule you are complaining about. What are you really upset about? That you can't get a spending pass to do what ever you want or that you have no other solutions to the problems facin the country.

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Posted by Steven Calleiro on 07/12/2016 at 4:11 PM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

I am an atheist and if the guy above is an atheist, his "atheist card" should be revoked. It's offensive because the city is going down a slippery slope of not caring about the separation of church and state. And if "Jesus" benches are allowed, then my bench with the message, "The Bible is a Book of Fairytales," should be allowed also. Additionally, why is Pam Zubeck putting so much focus on the fact that there was only one caller complaint? It proves nothing. Believe me, there are plenty of us who agree with the caller. And if more calls are needed to make sure separation of church and state are followed, there will be more calls.

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Posted by Cathy Sneaden on 07/12/2016 at 1:18 PM
Posted by Bill Burns on 07/12/2016 at 9:15 AM

Re: “Homeless shelters and programs in Colorado Springs

I'm 21 do I qualify for urban peak youth?

Posted by Deon on 07/09/2016 at 5:08 PM

Re: “Whistle Pig Brewing blunders on the food and brew fronts

I would have to respectfully disagree from this review which seemed to me a bit mean spirited and a bit elitist in the writing. The smoked burger I just had tonight was great and the side of fries were amazing. I had the smokey porter (3 glasses worth). It was dark, smooth not to hard on my taste buds. (I'm not a big fan of hoppy beers). The smokey porter was a more stout version of what a guinness might be. The malt cider, I will agree, is middle of the road but overall, I would say the notion of the beers being "inferior" might be a little hyperbole. I have recommended this establishment to all my friends and I would recommend for all to try and figure it out for yourself. I like the "Pig" and plan on coming back again and again.

Posted by mac5150 on 07/08/2016 at 11:24 PM
Posted by euphster on 07/08/2016 at 10:02 PM

Re: “Barista-owned Loyal Coffee soon to open

Super excited to welcome our new neighbors to the hood!

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Posted by Justin Burns on 07/08/2016 at 7:57 PM

Re: “We tied the knot and 'traditional' marriage didn't unravel

This is a genuinely heartwarming article, and I was happy to read about the sense of validation and finality which accompanied the writer's official marriage to her spouse. However, I detest the word "queer," and I virtually beg other readers not to fall into what I consider the trap of being duped into using this word. To me, this word is (and will always remain) a filthy insult, laden with hatred and homophobia. I am NOT queer -- I am an openly gay man, and shudder whenever I hear other people use the word "queer" to describe persons such as myself.

Perhaps my attitude is generational (I am in my early 50s). I have heard this word hurled at gay men and lesbians as a derogatory and humiliating insult so many times that I cannot stand to hear it. Some gay men and lesbians claim that they are diluting the power that this word has to wound -- I, for one, do not buy this, any more than I buy the notion that black persons should use the "n" word to describe themselves in an effort to lessen the ability of that word to wound, or that gay men should call themselves "faggots" in an effort to lessen the ability of that word to wound......

Of course, I cannot force others not to use this word. But I would hope that others would think this through very, very carefully.

PHILIP CHANDLER

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Posted by Philip Chandler on 07/08/2016 at 5:57 PM

Re: “PPCC drops Sodexo, gains food trucks

Thanks, Matt,

Indy readers, please go to our Facebook page and let us know what you think of the trucks.

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Posted by Warren Epstein 1 on 07/08/2016 at 12:06 PM

Re: “Nine things your LGBTQ friends may never call you out on (that you need to quit doing anyway)

who gives a shit? if the person wants you to know they will tell you don't need to ask stupid questions.

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 07/08/2016 at 11:16 AM

Re: “The Sheepdogs get back to where they once belonged

I heard them on Spotify in 2012 and have been a fan ever since. Will have to wait till September in Chicago to see them live for first time. Hoping this band grows in success and sticks together for years to come. Cheers!

Posted by MikeTeresa Swanson on 07/08/2016 at 6:33 AM

Re: “Olympic Museum scratches its early 2018 opening date

WOW, you are still wearing that yellow bracelet! The fact remains that nobody cares enough about the Olympic museum for it to be actually funded at this time.

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Posted by obliosupercat on 07/07/2016 at 11:12 PM

Re: “Trump's inexperience, Colorado's primary system, Centennial extension, and more

Funny how there is money for a road extension that benefits a small few - while the rest of use bounce from pothole to pothole in the rest of town.

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Posted by CSIndyReader on 07/07/2016 at 8:42 PM

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