It is interesting on this blog that when faced with the simple truth that these gun laws would not have stopped any of the tragedies like Gabby Gabby, they punch the 'dislike' button like stomping their feet and say ' I want the world to be different' without offering any solution but the path of ineffective legislation. Do any of you liberals have anything intelligent to say more than just your immature foot stomping?
Wow bunny, that could be, hands down, the best post I have seen on any subject.
(I don't know about golf being a vice, however.)
I have been on both sides of this issue. I have been victimized yet I still believe in everyones right to bear arms and protect themselves if they so choose. I also believe those people who do not wish to own guns should have their choice without trampling on other peoples rights. Just because something bad happened to me, I do not want to punish other people by taking their rights away. Gun control laws do not work and they do nothing to resolve the real issues. I feel for the injuries and the loss that people have suffered at the hands of someone who is criminally ill. I've been there. Does this mean that guns should be outlawed or tighter gun control laws are going to help anybody? No. My perpetrator as well as every other mass shooting that I have investigated had one thing in common. They were all on psychotropic drugs. My perpetrator, who I had lived with for 10 years, changed overnight. Within 30 days of being on psychiatric medication for depression he was unrecognizable. He went from being depressed to trying to kill me and sitting in the corner rocking back and forth afterwards looking like a madman, hair unkempt and glazed over eyes. We got him titrated off his medications and he went back to being normal and depressed, but not a madman. To this day, he said that he can't describe in words what those drugs made him think and feel in his mind. He said he truly felt crazed and couldn't believe his actions. Perhaps we should look at our own society and our underlying issues. America is a hedonistic society that wants to avoid any type of personal displeasure. We use drugs, alcohol, tv, violent games, sex, shopping, eating, golf, and just about every vice you can think of to avoid feeling uncomfortable in any way. Perhaps we should each learn individually how to stop avoiding emotional discomfort so we will no longer act out on others or ourselves or use mood altering chemicals including pharmaceuticals to try to deal with everyday life. We have become a society with no coping skills and we are hurting each other because of it. We drug our children with Ridalin when they do not behave properly because it makes teachers and parents uncomfortable. We drug our soldiers so our government/society doesn't have to be accountable to what we've done overseas. We lack principles to live by and so drive it away with our hedonistic behaviors that create great pain and suffering. This is the root of our problems. Not guns.
MDT: Clean your own shotguns. I clean mine. (The only guns I own.)
Your 3rd influence "who is asking the question" was covered in "how the question was worded".
As to random sampling, I took several statistics classes in college and am well aware of the requirements of a "valid" poll. Do you think Bob was referencing a scientific poll?
I probably agree with most of what you say on guns. My problem is with the 'big government' types gradually yet relentlessly taking away our freedoms.
Giffords was doing her elected job when a bullet robbed her of her career and many months of life. She lives with the knowledge that a staff member lost his life protecting her. She's earned her opinion on gun control in a way few people have. Same for her husband.
This is not a liberal/conservative issue. Ask President Reagan's press secretary James Brady. As he said in a radio interview, "It's hard to forget you've been shot in the head."
Oh and one more thing Siggie, in your first comment you said... "Polls are heavily influenced by two things. How the question is worded and how the question is interpreted." That is correct, you failed to mention a third, polls are also influenced by who is asking the question. A fourth would be is it random or not, that is why the online poll you cited is not really valid since it was not a "random sampling of voters"
Ok Siggie HERE is my position on guns since you apparently KNOW my position, I think that yes, you should get a background check on the sales of guns, retail, gun shows whatever. I NEED to get a background check to get a JOB, sometimes to access housing or whatever, so why should someone not need one when purchasing something that can blow my head off? Whats the problem if they have nothing to hide? What are they afraid of? The 2nd amendment says "WELL REGULATED" The founding fathers failed to define that. If we consider weapons available at the time, then we should all only be allowed muskets. I think the purchaser of the guns should pay for the background check. Why should I as a taxpayer pay for that background check? Can we AGREE that taxes are high enough?? As far as the cry that you shouldn't have to pay to access a right, well many on the right want Picture IDs for voting, and expect someone to pay to get an ID to use that right, whats the difference? As far as clip size, it really doesn't matter to me, if you need 20 rounds to hunt an elk, that doesn't make someone a bad person or a threat to me, just makes them a lousy sport hunter and maybe they should change hobbies, I seriously doubt that limiting rounds is going to make much difference in the large scheme of things, so I would not be in favor of that. As far as assault weapons, I really don't take a position on that, I don't see the thrill, but it doesn't matter to me. But maybe we SHOULD allow tanks and bazookas too, following the logic of gun advocates. The thing we ALL need to agree on is where the line is, at least we need to agree to disagree.
So, I think we disagree on needing background checks, and most likely agree that bans on assault weapons and rounds is not going to do much so why bother. Can we agree that everyone should have tanks and bazookas too? Know where I can buy one? I will be glad to get a background check and I will even pay for it. Why don't you come over and help me clean my shotguns, its way over due!!
MDT: stuck in the middle? Doubtful. You state "...never said what position I take." I believe you are making it quite clear.
And for clarification ...... As a Libertarian, I decry the loss of rights regardless of which party is responsible.
Funny you should mention "women's rights". I suspect you mean abortion? Is that a right? Before you get all 'high and mighty' and begin your lecture, I take the libertarian position on abortion. I have stated my opinion on the subject many times. 1st tri: okay. 2nd tri: subject to reasonable discussion. 3rd tri - only in the most extreme cases.
Not a single part of this legislation would have deterred the shooter in her situation...she is mixing apples and oranges and distracting congress from real solutions.
Siggie, Typical name calling when you can not talk with intelligence........yes erosion of rights, womens rights by the religious right, unlawful wiretaps and loss of rights in the Patriot Act as done by the Bush administration, rights of other religions other than christian.... the list can go on from both the LEFT and the RIGHT. Its HELL being stuck in the MIDDLE with all of you. LEAN TO THE LEFT, LEAN TO THE RIGHT, STAND UP, SIT DOWN, FIGHT!FIGHT!FIGHT!
What a silly little man you are K. I hold only opinions and you hold only the truth?
I'll stick with your question - "How would you know."
I suspect that since you read something (no doubt written by one of your extremely liberal scholars), it is automatically true. You have proven yourself quite foolish and yet you seem to think you are something special.
On second thought, tech is too much for you, maybe you can engage the illiterate fat girls from the utility.
Pathetic Indy, just pathetic. Do you liberals feel better reading this screed? The bill in question means NOTHING to the people of Colorado. Both of our Senators voted for it, and all the provisions of this law ARE ALREADY COLORADO STATE LAW. All gun show sales have background checks here. And the Senate bill touted a "friends and family sale" exemption. It was a toothless and unenforceable bill (unless Obama thinks we should start registering who our friends are). So Mrs. Giffords, do us all a favor and go away, and take that hypocrite husband with you.
Simple question - How would this bill (or any other) "prevent future tragedies"?
This bleeding-heart, liberal misguided overreaction to sociopaths will solve nothing and, in fact, ignores the real problem.
siggie, perhaps I am not interested in the topic of the federal government. Perhaps I am only interested in the historical topic, and in correcting the misinformation you gleefully spread.
To that end, I take issue with your characterization of my comments as my "highly prejudiced opinion on history." How would you know? In fact, your original comment begins, "I suspect that..." In other words, you are speculating. You speculate because you do not know. Since you do not know, you cannot demonstrate my remarks are erroneous or exaggerated.
I have studied the history, so, I do happen to know the truth. Nevertheless, since you are not interested in the truth, but only in "winning" the "argument" against a "liberal," you engage in the kind of trash talk more suitable for professional wrestling than a debate.
K: instead of cherry picking a specific in my comment and giving your highly prejudiced opinion on history, why don't you discuss the real issue? That is, the systematic erosion of our rights by the federal government. Perhaps you believe that the American people have too many rights and there should be more government control. Perhaps you believe, as Obama does, that the government is the answer to all things. Perhaps you fail to recognize that as the federal government gets bigger the rights of the American people get smaller. Perhaps you should go back to playing with tejontech. The problem is that he refuses to engage, unless you want to talk about religion.
Colorado Springs park system is wonderful, however, there is more to Colorado Springs than the downtown. When will our city look again at Academy Blvd which is currently a disaster?
Too bad we just voted to use our acquisition money for lands like this to be used parks maintenance, giving Bach the extra budget money to reward his friends with bonuses and buy outs.
The biggest problem with this plan is that the neckless is full of homeless people and drug dealers...and poor zoning enforcement has adjoining properties so run down no one wants to go near them.
And the inner circle itself is pretty seedy with bail bonds offices, lots social agencies that attract a whole different clientele than nice shops and eateries would.
siggie, the German people, like other Europeans, did not have any rights to begin with. America, was the first nation in history to begin its life with a definition of the rights to which its citizens were entitled. The German people had to fight tooth and nail against an entrenched aristocracy for every right they now enjoy. Far from being asleep during the Nazi takeover, the citizens overwhelmingly voted them into power with their eyes wide open, although, to be fair, they had been driven to despair by their collapsing economy.
Siggie, not speaking for anyone,never said what position I take, just if you ask for sources you should provide some, and you did, just outdated sources. But if you are speaking of current events, you should provide some CURRENT sources.
Only an idiot would want to serve now on Colorado Springs City Council and get no pay, no respect. City and County is all partisan. There is no fair representation any longer.
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