Right at you Pat Hill: Yes they are taking people's guns. Also we are talking about the Bill of Rights yet your small group of anti- Rights insists on saying "gun control". Give up your Rights if you wish, mine are not for you or anyone else to toy with. Can it be any more clear or are you all just pinheads?
I can safely say that most people in this area (from the Pacific ocean to the Atlantic ocean) do not care one iota about Colorado Springs' "westside" and "westsiders". If there is group of people that are more puffed up with themselves I would dread to have to know them. I will fill you in: you are just people like everybody else and banging on your own drum thinking you are special is embarrassing and insulting to the rest of the populace. The "westside" is just an old neighborhood and if you "westsiders" think it is something else, fine, just keep it to yourselves for change. If you do not want some "ugly" business on your street then don't wish it on somewhere and someone else. If you do not want your garbage what makes you think anyone else does? By the way I have yet to hear what is "historic" about that area. Is it that a couple blocks of crappy little shops selling overpriced crap still exists and nobody really knows why? Maybe it is the world-renowned "Territory Days" wherein the wild and wooly days of tubercular patients are recreated. Events including the Hack Off and the Loogie Spit draw folks from blocks away, even as far as "Mine Tailings Hill" and "Cyanide Gulch" where no development was allowed or risked for 100 years yet magically townhouses sprang up from the ground recently. I should say that "Landfill Covered Over Park" is really green and is just like a miniature "Garden of Someone's God Park" except without the bright light on a rock called "Two Camels Gettin' It On". So what's wrong with a bright light on a "Kum and Go"? Rabid racoons and skunks in the streets at night, inbred deer in the cemetery and a bear in every dumpster... What a special place...
Both good points...run for city council and bring us a vision they don't have!
What the city should do is shift Nevada Avenue to the West a hundred feet or so in order to allow a buffer zone to be built between the street and the Power Plant/Cement Plant/etc. This is also the area where any new ballpark should go - as it has good cross-city and Interstate access (via Austin Bluffs Parkway/Garden of the Gods Road).
Tracey Wright: We "entered into a new, ugly age of politics" locally in 2006 when two duly elected school board members were recalled at a steeper cost than this current recall is estimated to cost taxpayers. Those two board members had committed no crime. They hadn't broken any ethics rules. They were removed for "causing chaos". Pretty vague charge. Can't the same be said about Morse's diddling with the testifying procedure during the legislative process? (For what purpose? To gain national attention by having an out of state retired astronaut unlimited time to pontificate while Coloradans were limited to two minutes?) How many Coloradans were prevented from being heard because Mark Kelly absorbed so much time? Ironically, many of the heavy hitters involved in removing those two are deeply involved in keeping Morse in office today. Further irony, the recalled board members had a year remaining on THEIR terms too, recalled in 2006 when their terms expired in 2007. If my memory serves me correctly, John Morse contributed to the recall committee fund in 2006. Where I come from we call that hypocrisy.
The United States has tried to control the use and sale of marijuana since about 1913. The first law was originally passed in El Paso, TX as racial prejudice against Mexican immigrants.
Like the laws against illegal immigrants, this law has been the biggest failure in the history of law enforcement. It is easy to go buy "grass" anytime in all parts of Colorado Springs, or Colorado, or anywhere in the United States. You can do it now. Colorado College and Palmer High School are both popular places to get the stuff. A major marijuana farm was discovered during the waldo canyon fire. It is everywhere. (Incidentally, you can also hire some illegal mexican immigrants any day of the week. It is also easy. Just pour some concrete. They will be there, and if you don't hire them, you won't get the concrete done.)
Over one hundred years of law enforcement on marijuana has failed. When we passed the Prohibition Laws, we created the environment that allowed the Mafia to flourish in the United States. The marijuana laws are now creating the Mexican Drug Cartel. It would be refreshing if our "stupid Political Leaders" would grow up, legalize this stuff, and get the hell out of the way.
We learned to legalize booze because there was no choice. There are now a number of legal businesses supplying the booze in the United States. (This includes Colorado's flourishing beer industry.) If our stupid leaders would wake up, we could have equally successful businesses who pay taxes for selling Marijuana. But, No! We would rather be stupid and send millions to Mexico. And spend millions more trying to arrest a tidal wave.
All political leaders and all law enforcement leaders need to admit reality.
Continuing to try to enforce laws against marijuana is just stupid.
PS. I am 67 years old and I don't use marijuana, I don't use booze, and I don't drink beer. But I know people are going to do all of that. Legalize it and make a profit.
TABOR simply requires an affirmative vote of the people before the government is allowed to raise taxes. I consider this to be a completely reasonable, necessary, and absolutely brilliant law, given the arrogant attitude of government these days. Yes, Doug Bruce is eccentric, but so are a whole lot of government programs. And cities that refuse to disclose the true cost of all funding necessary to reach their goals may be committing a crime.
We are overrun with small groups of citizens (like city council) who routinely think their idea is the only good one for the city. The sad reality is their ideas are usually for a select few, like the richest corporations, or the richest individuals of the area. And "leaders" always think their idea is so good that it is worthy of a subsidy of money taken away from other taxpayers, who clearly have lousy ideas for their money. Getting a vote on such ideas is always so inconvenient, and budgets are such a pain in the assets.
Colorado Springs has repeatedly funded projects that clearly benefit only narrow interest groups, such as the Broadmoor Hotel, downtown landowners, or even joggers and bikers. Most city residents will never get any measurable benefit from these projects, and these subsides almost never work. That means we get to pay for them over and over, again and again, while they continue to not work, over and over again. Wasn't it just last week that the Olympic Bicycle team decided to move to Mesa, AZ? Right after we agreed to subsidize their fancy downtown building? Hm. Not working again.
Government representatives (like Mr. Hazlehurst was years ago) regularly believe that unlimited taxes are the path to the Nirvana that all their pet projects promise, while skirting the intent of the voting requirement. I think you should start believing in the tooth fairy before he taxes your dentures.
The Federal Government, many States, and more than a few cities, are now heading into a long term financial hell of bankruptcies and collapsing revenue as they learn that their ideas didn't work, and aren't going work, and subsidizing runaway government pensions is a financial liability that will bite hard on everybody.
Thus we, the voters who didn't get to vote, we get stuck with an international airport 80 miles from a Real Airport (we have no chance of winning the state championship on this) or we get street design from Mars (as influenced by those City street design experts -- the North End Homeowners Assn) which design has now literally strangled the downtown with the lack of arterial traffic support. And all the while, we have a city ready to do more.
Being a city with REAL low taxes and REAL low utility rates strikes me as a winning tactic in the war of winning new residents. Incidentally, if the pensions are so reasonable, then you will have no problem publishing a complete list of them as full disclosure in the newspaper. The street riots that will follow such disclosure will make great news.
We are not anti-Kum&Go or anti-business. We simply believe that this is the wrong LOCATION for this business. They are planning on building one on 21st and Broadway as well, which is about 1/4 mile from the OCC location, and that is a GREAT location!
If you agree, please consider signing the petition. And you don't have to be a Westsider to sign it; OCC belongs to us ALL!
Speaking from personal experience, it is obvious that Wayne Laugesen distorts facts and twists truths.
Last year, writing as Ziggy Rainbeaux, I uncovered evidence of serial plagiarism by former state senator Ed Jones. His opinions as a "guest columnist" were often sought and published by the Gazette.
When I showed Wayne Laugesen twelve examples of "appropriations without attribution" from a single Ed Jones column, he expressed concern and assured me a full investigation would ensue. He would speak with Jones while his staff reviewed every column Jones had submitted.
Approximately 24 hours later, Mr. Laugesen assured me that no other columns contained plagiarized phrases, sentences, or paragraphs. He also believed Mr. Jones version of the events and offered me an opportunity to speak with and question Mr. Jones.
I was dissatisfied with Jones' evasive answers and, if possible, believed him less after our 20-minute telephone conversation. When challenged by Jones to prove that he purposefully plagiarized, I started reading his earlier columns.
The following day, the Gazette published a short statement that defended Jones' explanation: The original author's name could not be located (at the bottom of a website).
Thirty-six hours later, I had found evidence of plagiarism in seven other articles. Having been misled by Wayne Laugesen, if not outright lied to about the Gazette's investigation of Jones, I contacted the Independent and the rest is history.
The Gazette deleted every guest column once attributed to Jones. He deleted them from his eponymous website and for months did not have another Gazette column published.
But Laugesen is still around, still ignoring facts and twisting truths.
El producto .... Thanks. I can see my comments on a computer, but not a phone. My bad in blaming the Indy! Glad they are up. Obviously a setting on my phone.
any one really get it that Keith King wrote the recall election bill? Yep, our idiot in charge...big fat republican...
Indy, another question you should have asked of Laugesen: The editorial states "...nearly 25 percent of registered voters...demanded a recall."
He gets the 25 percent by two errors. First, he used the 16,000 signatures rather than the 10,137 verified signatures. Laugesen will give the same nonsense argument on that that he gave you earlier. However, he also used the number of "active voters" (about 69,000) rather than the number of "registered voters" (over 83,000). Even using the 16,000 signature number you get 19 percent of registered voters, not "nearly 25 percent." And using verified signatures from registered voters compared to the number of registered voters gives 12 percent.
Laugesen either doesn't know the difference between registered voters and active voters, or, well, he knew the number was false. Does he want to acknowledge ignorance or mendacity?
Colorado Native. It doesn't seem like the Indy is censoring you. You've left three comments.
Was there something else you wanted to say?
Actually, Heidi, when we are giving tours (I am a volunteer Docent), we do very much focus on the importance of beavers in the wild. They are a keystone species, extremely important to their environment. And yes, I agree, beavers are much more fascinating than allergies. ;)
I want to see all comments.
Interesting. My post was deleted. Who has control of the comments for The Independent? I'd say The Independent does. Hypocrites? Absolutely if they delete posts that don't agree with their article. Ill just have to post it again.
Ben - you've been asking that question for a month. I'd think it would be a simple thing to go over, or call, the folks over at a whole lotta people and ask them if your name is on there. If you were that concerned you would already have your answer. But, I'd say you are a hypocrite and fanning the flames making people question the legitimacy of the petition signatures as a whole when enough signatures have already been certified, twice. Morse has lead a party line over reach on many issues, not just gun control laws. He needs to go.
Maybe ADAMS MOUNTAIN CAFE AND THE COMMONWHEEL AND OTHER PLACES FLOODED OUT IN MANITOU WILL WANT TO MOVE HERE! Or an electric car charging station!
That would be progress!
Does anyone know where to see a list of recall petition signatures? I want to make sure my name is not fraudulently on the list.
the geezerette and loggersin are both tin foil hat wearing clueless goofs. they are always for the 1% and are always for screwing everyone else. who still reads that rag? it has become nothing more than a tabloid and mouthpiece for the tin foil hat wearers... yes the teabaggers.
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