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Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

Luke Bonow, you're funny. I built your website. I've referred literally hundreds of patients your way. I helped AOM from the beginning. I worked, marched and petitioned City Hall to end prohibition of MMJ in the Springs. I served on the Mayor's Task force and together opened the door for all MMJ.

We won on a 5-4 split at city hall. 1 vote. Back then MMJ was EVIL. One vote less and YOU wouldn't even be here. Remember?

Your self righteousness shows your true colors. It's OK for YOU - but ending prohibition for adult use in a social and safe environment is too much liberty for you.

Crawl back into your barrel of false patriotism, or come out and fight for liberty.

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Posted by on 11/20/2014 at 8:28 AM

Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

Being that marijuana is the 'least toxic drug' known on Earth, as characterized by pharmacologists and physicians alike, how about we just fight to designate cannabis as a vegetable and stop treating it like alcohol, which kills tens of thousands of people a year?! Allowing marijuana to be regulated like alcohol assumes there is a danger and risk in it's consumption and if we accept this as truth, then the politicians get away with being liars and thieves!! Facts and truth are the only sustainable reasons for fighting for the legitimacy of a plant that far outweighs the benefits of any other consumable drug sold in the U.S.

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Posted by AVG on 11/20/2014 at 7:36 AM

Re: “Incentivizing Infill

Using TIF is good for the developer and not good for the taxpayers. It's especially odious when taxpayer dollars are used to build grandiose projects like the C4C stadium without a vote of approval from the citizens. And though TIF has become the new normal financing arrangement for infill projects large and small within a defined URA, most likely it's not needed to spur private development.

The Nevada Policy Research Institute published a study in 2009 on the use of TIF and its consequences, many of which were negative and unintended. From the report: "These impacts are particularly egregious given the fact that they are completely unnecessary for the purpose of encouraging investment in city centers. City officials in Anaheim, Calif., have recently demonstrated that redevelopment can be accomplished much more effectively and without adverse consequences simply by easing the barriers which have impeded development in the first place." "Easing the barriers", which Olson touches on, would result in far better consequences for COS than utilizing TIF. To read the complete report:…

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Posted by curious on 11/19/2014 at 7:18 PM

Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

As the owner of Three Kings Dab Supply I can tell you that whoever has the first fight is going to need money. I currently have 2 tickets for running a marijuana club and the Supreme Court battle this will turn into will cost the business advocate upwards of $10000 dollars. Please consider supporting me in tho fight financially at

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Posted by Shelton Howard on 11/19/2014 at 4:57 PM

Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

I Have simpler solution. Get the licenses needed to sell marijuana. Dont try to go around the law, just follow it. The Dispensaries had to pay fees upon fees, background checks, background on funds check, yearly huge licensing fees, to sell marijuana. Most clubs sell marijuana w/out all the fees, which is totally unfair to the way the law was if the clubs were solely byob, then it shouldnt be an issue, but they are not following the rules. Apply for License, go through the PROCESS...or Open a bar, allow marijuana smoking, open a food place/coffee shop that allows marijuana smoking.... Selling it at clubs is against the law. Denver has banned the clubs, Pueblo has banned the clubs, El paso has banned the clubs, Colorado springs will hopefully ban the clubs that are selling to the public, w/out proper licenses, MED uninforced/ State uninforced, does the state see who/what/where the product is coming from even?, Retail shops pay 25% excess tax, do the clubs?(nope) no licenses for any of it, yet clubs still seem to sell shatter/wax/concentrates, joints, cannabis at Colorado Springs that is, soon the city council will wake up.

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Posted by Luke Bonow on 11/19/2014 at 4:30 PM

Re: “Business Alliance chief resigns

Like Joe Raso, Mike Kazmierski saw the writing on the wall.…

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Posted by bobdobbs on 11/19/2014 at 1:03 PM

Re: “Business Alliance chief resigns

No RBA leader can bring jobs to any city where infrastructure rots, schools decline, leaders pander to religious extremists, councilors bicker - all with a majority of voter approval. Catalyst for decline and failure is TABOR which took away the power of the elected to do what's needed to structure a successful city that works.

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Posted by OldCrank on 11/19/2014 at 11:39 AM

Re: “Lathen draws a crowd for mayoral announcement

If the idiotic TABOR requires a citizen vote to increase taxes then it ought to require a citizen vote to lower any taxes and explain where replacement funds come from. Else these clown car cuties will continue the insanity of cutting taxes by using the big lie that it will increase tax revenue - we know trickle down does not work.

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Posted by OldCrank on 11/19/2014 at 11:23 AM

Re: “Business Alliance chief resigns

While reading articles about Reno's financial problems caused by its partnership with the billionaire owner of the Aces stadium, I came across this report on Tax Increment Financing (TIF) from the Nevada Policy Research Institute titled "Rolling the Dice on the Taxpayer's Dime". TIF is the method to be used to build the C4C stadium. From page 1 of the report: TIF "systematically channels tax dollars away from school districts, police departments and fire departments, for example, and into redevelopment agencies. Redevelopment agencies use those tax dollars to make payments on bonds that have been issued in order to construct elaborate public facilities or to provide financial incentives for private developers to invest in city centers."

This report is essential reading for COS citizens in order to understand what our mayor and City Leaders are getting us into with their scheme to build a downtown stadium using TIF. You can access the report at NPRI or via the link at the bottom of this article:…

Links to the 2 articles in previous comment are here:……

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Posted by curious on 11/19/2014 at 11:12 AM

Re: “Lathen draws a crowd for mayoral announcement

more teabagger tax cuts... where is the $1.9 mill going to come from?? street repair department more than likely with these whack-a-doodles.

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Posted by happyfew on 11/19/2014 at 10:43 AM

Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

I am for a simpler solution. Cannabis was voted to be regulated like alcohol. Under the alcohol model there are three forms of licensing. Production, Distribution, and Consumption. While Cannabis remains at only production and distribution.

We all know that liquor can be purchased at a store but not consumed. As we are aware that alcohol can be consumed at a bar but you can not depart with it.

So to then should there be a license for onsite cannabis consumption. We should couple this with training courses for cannabis servers in the same vain as the state mandated TIPS course for alcohol.

If you give me a license I will apply for it. Impose a fee I shall pay it. Provide reasonable regulation and I shall adhere to it. Create a course and I will attend it.

Constitutionally you cant not stop these clubs from forming. However they have the authority to place restrictions of how they may operate. The focus now should be to work with industry leaders in developing reasonable regulation that allows these facilities to serve their design purpose with respect to the existing licensed cannabis industry and the safety of the local community.

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Posted by Speak Easy Vape Lounge on 11/19/2014 at 10:08 AM

Re: “Top 10 queer classics film list for the Thanksgiving holiday

I'd add "Big Eden," "Broken Hearts Club," and "Latter Days." All 3 are centered on what a family is and end with dinner scenes....

Posted by alphastew on 11/19/2014 at 10:04 AM

Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

Why do El Paso County commissioners hate freedom?

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Posted by Lalahartma on 11/19/2014 at 9:58 AM

Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

Just another fine example of the "regulate it like alcohol" double standard.

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Posted by Benjie Robinson on 11/19/2014 at 8:42 AM

Re: “El Paso County will likely ban marijuana social clubs

the question prompts itself? can El Paso County (or anyone) forbid the rights of Americans to 'peacefully assembly" "petition their government for change" and their rights to "private property?"

NO they can't. They can pass laws, but that DOES NOT make them just. Or legal.

The suggestion that they are making violates our Bill of Rights and our Constitutional Rights.

Join us as we fight for American liberties: The "Original Cannabis Club"

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Posted by on 11/19/2014 at 7:41 AM

Re: “Lathen draws a crowd for mayoral announcement

this lathen chick and littleton are the most obnoxious people ever...please just go away...hopefully springs will have common sense and just say no to these two losers...they bring nothing but old tired council baggage to the table...I know this last election more than embarrassed our fine city to the nation..I mean lamb brain and god what a joke we are!!

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Posted by harley883 on 11/18/2014 at 6:46 PM

Re: “Business Alliance chief resigns

The purpose of the RBA is to bring in new jobs and businesses. Has Raso and the RBA accomplished this goal? The RBA is an enthusiastic proponent of building a downtown stadium, which will eat up $200M of sales tax revenue, in the pursuit of economic prosperity and downtown revitalization. Raso's predecessor is now in Reno, "where, reportedly, jobs are flooding into that community."

Reno has a downtown stadium .. and a whole lot of financial woes as a result. The $50M 9000-capacity Aces Ballpark was built in 2009 for the Triple-A baseball team, the Aces. It was the centerpiece of the Freight House District redevelopment area. The financing was a complex city/private deal that soon went sour. In 2012 the city council was faced with losing the team or paying $1M a year for 30 years from the general fund to keep the city's original promise. The city pleads that it doesn't have the funds to make $1M payments. Why not? Because tax revenue earmarked for it didn't grow. To the surprise of the visionaries. their rosy projections of increased tax revenue from building a stadium didn't materialize. However, while this was a losing deal for the city of Reno, the owners of a handful of new bars and restaurants located within walking distance of the stadium are happy the city made this "investment".

Stadium building, even when you have a tenant, which COS does not, is perilous. Here are 2 excellent articles of the financial details of Aces Ballpark which our mayor and City Leaders need to study carefully ... and heed.

1. "Here's your Aces Ballpark financing" 10.12.12
2. "Future of Aces Ballpark Still Up in the Air" 12.12.12

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Posted by curious on 11/18/2014 at 6:02 PM

Re: “Business Alliance chief resigns

Sorry Virginia, this horse does not fly. He did not leave for greener pastures, which clearly indicates problems. Funding could be the straw that broke the camel's back. Once the Council called for an accounting on their return of equity for payments to the RBA, things went into a tailspin. Add to this the rising young professionals leaving as a group. Relevance is important in these matters and unless you keep your eye on the prize, you have a tendency to stray. Which appears to be what they have done. However, good luck to Mr Raso in anything he does in the future. For the RBA, a review is in order. You might want to talk to the United Way...they just went through some soul searching with Harwood Institute. Read some of the recommendations!

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Posted by wpmurrayIII on 11/18/2014 at 3:27 PM

Re: “Business Alliance chief resigns

Sounds like a lot of B.S. to me. Resigning after just 30 months? I can't wait to hear the real reasons why Raso is leaving.

"We now face numerous community issues that didn't exist two years ago... City for Champions... [this one has Bach's greasy fingerprints all over it], Stormwater Initiative [Bach, again], local political structure [Bach, ditto], defense industry sequestration... impacts of military Base Realignment And Closure (BRAC)/downsizing... [this one is on Doug Do-Nothing Lamborn]."

And yes, these numerous community issues most certainly DID exist two years ago!

See, B.S.

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Posted by goldsabbath on 11/18/2014 at 3:13 PM

Re: “Incentivizing Infill

Curious - Perhaps Fillmore up to Centennial is what was meant. Love how the Ivywild building has energized the neighborhood, the re-use of building and brought fresh ideas.

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Posted by TruB on 11/18/2014 at 1:04 PM

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