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Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

I think what has most deeply concerned me over the last year or so is the Conservative assault on the cornerstone of the foundation of American ideological values.
Mr. Wolverton expresses that assault perfectly, claiming:

"You do not live in a democracy."
and demanding:
"Teach your children they do not live in a democracy."

It makes me wonder just what Mr. Wolverton thinks "We the People" means.
The term "Republic" does NOT, by itself, describe our political structure. The "R" in the old USSR for example, stood for Republic. And China (The Peoples Republic of...) is a representative republic. The representatives, however, are not chosen by the people, but by a convoluted process controlled by the Party.
Democracy is the ESSENTIAL word describing America's form of governing, and I wonder about those who are attempting to demean and disparage that concept.
We are in a domestic war against those who are out to destroy our democracy, and we just lost a very significant battle in that war. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and now the Electoral College are powerful weapons currently aimed at our democratic principles and values. The sooner we all realize that fact, the sooner we can rally Americans to fight against these weapons fashoned for the destruction of American democracy.
We DO live in a democracy (for the time being) and we should teach our children that America was founded on essential democratic principles, and just how precious those values are.

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/14/2016 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Keith King wants to use his expense account to hire a ghost writer

Let him fund his own self-aggrandizing claptrap.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 11:43 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Mr Terryah, you can crow now, but wait til you have to learn Russian.

Mr. Joss, you are exactly right, provided we don't get the Electoral College relief we are entitled to in the Constitution. It is not a small, insignificant voice tacked on to the elective process - it is the final voice. Contact electors at and make your voice heard.

Mr Wolverton, This tyranny is facilitated by duplicity in false news, treachery from Breitbart and is the tyranny of the minority, not the majority. By definition, the majority in a democracy cannot be tyrannical - it is the will of the people. It just may not be the result YOU want, but that's democracy for you.

Mr Naumann, you are correct in assuming that the Electoral College is in place to prevent the potential outcome of this most divisive election.

Rabbi Glazer, I commend your humanity, but Trump began his campaign in the ugliest of arenas where he questioned the nationality and citizenship of our sitting President...and he never apologized. His clarion call to the 'white nationalists' (read - bigots and racists everywhere) still has them dancing in the streets (as opposed to the thousands of Muslims who DIDN'T dance in the streets of New Jersey, another blatant lie he never retracted). We ARE divided by this man and his hateful rhetoric. Join with the Hamilton Electors and prevent his ascent to power - not doing so will spell the beginning of the end of our way of life.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 11:39 AM

Re: “Process to alter BLR annexation agreement begins

"Missing from the presentation was" everything that would cost the tax payers and make it a loosing proposition and the fact that the entire thing is a corporate welfare subsidy for Jenkins.

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Posted by Bill Burns on 12/14/2016 at 11:38 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wolverton starts well, ends in fits. Trump simply wants to destroy China. Together with Putin, they will be the unopposed Empire. Iran can't do shit, except nuke Beirut. There will be no war on the DeathStar. The rebels will share the fate of the children of Aleppo. I have a Trump shaving kit made in China. Somebody really pissed him off over there. Europe will be on their own. Africa will continue to be irrelevant. Mexicans will actually be better off, white people don't pick strawberries. Cancelling bloated defense projects will be good for all except EPC, YOU CAN LEAVE NOW, LAMBORN, YOU WEASEL! Trump and Sheen, what's up? WINNING! More, tiger blood Charlie? You bet! Thanx Donald, ur a badass, men all over the world fear and revere you, Ceasar! Obama was a compassionate, eloquent, classy, prez. That is over. It's a brave new world where the KGB is with 45 and the CIA is not. Delicious Heyoka! The dark agent is a masterful instructor!

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Posted by makeitgreatonce on 12/14/2016 at 11:10 AM

Re: “Springs math teacher sues the state to vote his conscience as a member of the Electoral College

There is more than a little debate as to whether state law can trump (ugly pun) Federal law with regard to something as well defined in the Constitution as the authority of Electors as described in Article II, Sec 1 and in the 12th Amendment. Nemanich and his attorney, Jason Wesocky are arguing that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and States cannot force an Elector to vote against his or her conscience. Whether you "buy it" or not, Mr Howell, it would behoove you to read Hamilton's Federalist 68 and reference it to Clinton Rossiter's edition of "The Federalist Papers", which includes margin references in the Constitutional section to the different Federalist Papers that were considered in the construction of the language of the final document. Madison's Federalist 10 also has references to "mischief" by "factions" and that a stopgap was needed to prevent our democracy from falling into the hands of outside interests.

The overtly loud noises coming from the Denver courtrooms (Judge Daniel's 'political stunt' comment, and Judge Starrs' threat of 'repercussions' are ominous. Article II, Section 1 is clear - the Electors have the final say in judging whether a candidate is fit for the office of President. There are numerous utterances that have come from the mouth of President-elect Trump that would get him removed from public gatherings of civilized citizens, thrown out of parties, perhaps arrested for aggravated sexual assault, tax fraud, fraud in general with his phony Trump University, etc...but most troubling is the cozy relationship he and his Cabinet/NSA selections have with Vladimir Putin. Putin and crew are poised to take a major role in the Middle East as Syria's ally and Iran's best friend (and oil client). If John Jay, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton could provide a persuasive enough argument to have the language in Article II, Sec 1 in the main text of the Constitution they must have felt pretty strongly about it. Could the judges legal knowledge be so remiss? Or could they be so un-American?

That the Electoral College has not been tested in this matter is not the issue. This is not a "political stunt", Judge Daniel - this is the United States Constitution at work. Its purpose is to prevent outside influence in our democracy. Hamilton, in Federalist 68, paragraph 5, states "Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desires of foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this by raising one of their own to the chief magistracy of the

Hamilton goes on to comment that the Electors should be under the influence of no outside sources and should vote as their conscience dictates for the good of the country (paraphrased to preserve space).

Trump has not condemned Russia's intervention in Syria. Trump has not condemned Putin's annexation of Crimea. Putin has made it clear that he has an interest in the Baltic States. He has said that he may abandon our allies in NATO. He has considered David Petraeus, a convicted criminal who shared classified information with his mistress, for Secretary of State before selecting Rex Tillerson who has done multiple billions in oil deals with Russia; he has chosen Gen Mike Flynn as National Security Advisor after it was learned that Flynn shared classified information with the Afghan military; his first campaign manager, Paul Manafort, operated as a lobbyist for the Ukraine for former President Yevtushenko, a Putin loyalist, without registering with the State Department, a potential felony. Coupled with his vulgarity and admission of sexual assault because he could get away with it due to his celebrity make him totally unfit to serve as President.

If you are a single issue voter - gun control laws and abortion rights specifically - please remember that Trump's opponent amassed 2.8 million votes more than he did, and momentum shifted after a false news release regarding 650,000 emails hacked from DNC servers and Hillary Clinton's personal emails. Emails that had already been reviewed by the FBI and dismissed and careless but not harmful...and the timing of the release was devastating.

If you are a jubilant Republican I lay this entire disaster at your feet...and you can bet I'll be there to tell you I told you so when the bottom falls out and we find ourselves in a worldwide oligarchy - and not at the top of the heap, either. For shame!

But you probably won't read this and the references, anyway.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 10:59 AM

Re: “Springs math teacher sues the state to vote his conscience as a member of the Electoral College

First of all, he is not a math 'teacher'. Second of all, what the heck is he trying to do? He has to vote for Clinton, whom apparently he supports anyway! I'm sorry if he did not check the laws first - he is bound. He just wants to oust Trump - why???? Why is America not supporting, encouraging and giving Trump a chance? Clinton is a proven liar and a cheat - why would we want her? I am very sorry Mr. Nemanich will not have his 'ceremonial situation' for history...awww shucks.

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Posted by Priss on 12/14/2016 at 10:21 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Wow, What a disappointing column, Mr. Hazlehurst. You missed quite a bit in your research. And your comments from Tom Stand show that he's simply repeating the same old talking points. The monitors have never ever been over Manitou Springs, or over the Cheyenne Mtn and Broadmoor neighborhoods where the pollution plume is at it's worst. Gordon Pierce from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) has stated the current monitor you and Tom reference is not even in the right place to measure SO2 from the Drake plume. And if you'd bothered to look at the data, even it has measurements over the NAAQS.
Further, the EPA holds Modeling as the Gold Standard because it uses emissions data from the stacks and meteorological data to show where the plume travels over our fair city and what amount of pollution it's carrying. So yes, modeling is very important. 3 models by different organizations all show non-attainment of the NAAQS, the SO2 is high and that's very bad for our lungs.
How can you say the lawsuit is fizzled when the City is desperately seeking to punish Leslie Weise? The real question is, who is pulling the strings with the City's lawyer? Who's acting like a dictator from a 3rd world country trying to muzzle a citizen seeking just the truth of a government report? Is it the Mayor? Or CSU? Or the Utility Board?

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Posted by Jacquie Ostrom on 12/14/2016 at 9:50 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Two Million Tons! On standard day of 30 mb pressure and 60F - the cubic volume of space for one ton of carbon dioxide is approximately a cube 27' x 27' x 27' - which is about the cubic volume of the average house in Old Colorado City.

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 12/14/2016 at 7:43 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

No John it is about something! The monitors were not located in the areas where the plume from Drake settles along the foothills. It specifically settles in the Cheyenne Mountain and Skyway neighborhoods. It evens wafts all the way up to Manitou.

Specifically the Gold Camp Elementary is at ground zero. Those elementary children are exposed to dangerous levels of sulfur dioxide. Earlier this year in a hearing about Drake, Lisa Devore with the Colorado Department of Health and Environment acknowledged the risk to the children and committed to installing a monitor nearby the school. She quietly withdrew that commitment as a result of political pressure from El Paso County.

CSU has shown its true character to attempt to silence critics. Shame on you Jerry Forte.

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Posted by Solar Sam on 12/14/2016 at 6:54 AM

Re: “Springs math teacher sues the state to vote his conscience as a member of the Electoral College

I'm not buying this AT ALL. No doubt Mr. Nemanich took on the responsibility of being an elector knowing that he was bound by state law to vote for the state's popular vote winner. If he didn't agree with the law, then he should not have become an elector. I smell grandstanding.

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Posted by John Howell on 12/14/2016 at 5:26 AM

Re: “Process to alter BLR annexation agreement begins

We need BLR about as much as we need former Mayor Bach .....

Why why why does anyone believe that adding 18000 acres 15 miles from downtown is a good thing

Growth for growths sake of irresponsible.

If you think Colorado Springs is a poster child for unchecked SPRAWL you ain't seen nothing yet

You might think you live in Colorado Springs and El Paso Country but if BLR happens you'll actually be living in the Dutchy of Jenkins. One Family will control not only downtown ,( where they've held back development for years) but 18000 acres they expect us to pay for.


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Posted by actionjackson on 12/14/2016 at 4:21 AM

Re: “Process to alter BLR annexation agreement begins

It's a real concern to learn the level of trust among City Council members has degenerated to a point where they don't keep one another informed about major studies as they progress. Some things may need to be kept out of the public eye, although it's difficult to see why this is true of this study, but the Council members should have been kept up to date. To chastise fellow Council members for their lack of information when you're the one who should have provided it is arrogant and hypocritical.

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 12/13/2016 at 3:44 PM

Re: “Banning Lewis Ranch study says new annexation agreement is needed

So what was the point of COS annexing 24,000 acres in 1988. we still dont have enough police to cover the city limits. nothing but pure greed. so why not de-annex it and let it become its own city EG; like fountain or security. or stay in unincorporated El Paso county. Developers will still have to provide infrastructure as they should. you want to build houses then you provide the roads, sewers etc.

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Posted by Dsand on 12/13/2016 at 3:40 PM

Re: “UPDATE: More about the AFA coach tweeting salvation messages

We're (I'm) not interested in HIS Religious beliefs, or anyone else's for that matter! WHO CARES? He needs to keep them to himself, and stop trying to proselytize. That he feels the necessity to have to shout it from the rooftop, is a sign of weakness and desperation; not to mention an attempt to prey upon the weak and fearful. That's what religion does.

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Posted by mbomcar on 12/13/2016 at 2:56 PM

Re: “Tlaquepaque: Heaven by Jalisco

Best sit down Mexican food in the city. I reiterate sit down, because there are still a couple trucks that smash them all.

Posted by Ja Wohl on 12/13/2016 at 1:26 PM

Re: “Banning Lewis Ranch study says new annexation agreement is needed

The claims of the developers of Banning Lewis are without facts. Woodmen Hills and other local development has been done with the developer paying for roads including the widening of Meridian and Woodmen Roads with a special tax applied to pay for that infrastructure. The drainage control ponds were also paid for by the developers. Every home or business built in the district has to pay for tap fees for water and sewer. It seems as if the developers of Banning Lewis are wanting the public to pay for infrastructure allowing them to a better profit with ability to reduce the price a little bit to attract buyers. Those who buy in Banning Lewis should pay for their own infrastructure.

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Posted by Alfred Kreps on 12/13/2016 at 9:47 AM

Re: “Banning Lewis Ranch study says new annexation agreement is needed

rich people rule and the rest of us... not so much. the p***y grabber president elect will give massive benefits to the rich and the rest of us... not so much.

enjoy the next 4 years... not so much.

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Posted by happyfew on 12/13/2016 at 8:29 AM

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