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Re: “Much ado about a C4C stadium vote

Of course the City should have something between "a say" to final authority over what the URA does with the money the taxpayers give the City and the City in turn gives the URA. The money the URA will receive from the State is none of the business of the City. Politicians will always find a wiggle way around the law. Like calling the C4C convention center - which would mandate a vote of the people - an event center. Semantics has outfoxed the law. Politicians and bureaucrats can twist the law whichever way suits their purpose. When there's a dispute, a trial judge decides what the law says.

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Posted by curious on 09/25/2014 at 11:16 AM

Re: “Hanging by a thread

Your choice of words here "it was the sound of (pedro) dying" is insensitive and grotesquely descriptive.

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Posted by Jennifer Campo on 09/25/2014 at 9:16 AM

Re: “Pushing the plug

That's why it was a warning, not a ticket. The reason for the warning ought to be obvious to anyone who has done any driving on city streets. When the light changes there may still be a car crossing the intersection because the driver could not stop in time. It is always a good idea to wait a moment after the light changes before moving, to make sure there are no late arrivals running the yellow light as it turns red.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 09/25/2014 at 8:58 AM

Re: “Pushing the plug

A police warning for accelerating too fast?

What law is their against acceleration? Surly we have speed limits not acceleration limits.

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Posted by JPWhite on 09/25/2014 at 7:49 AM

Re: “Nobody is oppressed like a white evangelical Christian

Oh, so too true for El Paso Co folks! "With the people, for the people, by the people. I crack up when I hear it; I say, with the handful, for the handful, by the handful, cause that's what really happens." Fannie Lou Hamer

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Posted by guruD on 09/25/2014 at 7:19 AM

Re: “Nobody is oppressed like a white evangelical Christian

Persecution = not having the government doing your bidding anymore

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Posted by Randy Wanat on 09/24/2014 at 10:16 PM

Re: “'The stars have aligned'

I'd vote for her for sure, she is an intelligent, compassionate human with the experience and abilities sorely lacking in the current mayor and current candidates.

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Posted by marge on 09/24/2014 at 5:51 PM

Re: “UPDATE: City agrees to pay PERA $190 million

Goldsabbath, We did hear back from the city communications office saying the mayor would not be providing a comment on the PERA settlement. In addition, the latest accounting, through Aug. 22, shows the city spent $2,022,236 on attorney fees in the PERA litigation, of which $1,973,571 went to Hogan Lovells. Another firm, Fulbright and Jaworski, collected $48,666 in connection with the lawsuit.
We've reported on how much money the $259 million kept in escrow has earned as the lawsuit was pending, which can be found here:…

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Posted by Pam Zubeck on 09/24/2014 at 5:27 PM

Re: “UPDATE: City agrees to pay PERA $190 million

We were duped into believing that the strong mayor form of government would save the public more $$. Pam Z - how about a story on how much more this "fiscally conservative" strong mayor has cost the tax payers (for example - exorbitant outside legal fees, consultants, Steve Cox, golden parachutes for managers that he didn't care for, personal security, more mayoral staffing, setting up shop at the city admin building, etc.) compared to the city manager form of government?

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Posted by bobdobbs on 09/24/2014 at 5:23 PM

Re: “Much ado about a C4C stadium vote

"Massey said it failed the legislative test because it would bar the city from spending money through the Urban Renewal Authority or public facilities corporations, as well as "funds provided by any other government." Massey and Johnson argued that because those groups aren't under city authority, voters can't direct them in spending money."
No problem, then the city should not provide those groups (Urban Renewal Authority or public facilities corporations) any money to start with. The city should have a say over the citizens money it gives out.

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Posted by Neil Talbott on 09/24/2014 at 4:34 PM

Re: “UPDATE: City agrees to pay PERA $190 million

"We've asked... Mayor Steve Bach for a comment on the settlement. Bach in the past has said the lawsuit was the Council's issue, not his."

Bach hired Melcher, Melcher served at the pleasure of Bach - not City Council. Bach paid Melcher $100k severance, not Council. Was Hogan Lovells, who was paid $1.5M to lose the PERA suit, hired by Council or Bach [Hint: it wasn't Council]. Is anyone keeping a running tally on what Bach has cost this city since he duped "fiscal conservatives" into voting for him??

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Posted by goldsabbath on 09/24/2014 at 2:51 PM

Re: “Voters denied chance to vote on downtown stadium funding

Today's Gazette editorial states: "From their inception as mere ideas, C4C projects . . . " and "the mere planning of a stadium and event center as a possible C4C project . . ." What?! The stadium is not a "mere idea" nor is it a "possible" project. It is far down the road to becoming an unstoppable reality.

Councilman Miller wants the people to vote on the spending of PUBLIC MONEY on a stadium. The Gazette, the mayor, and City Leaders want to use OUR sales tax revenue to fund the building of the stadium without our approval. If Anschutz, owner of the Gazette, wants to build a stadium downtown using HIS money and NONE of ours, that's OK with me.

BTW, the event center is actually a convention center under another name. If it were called a convention center, building it using public money would mandate a vote of the people. City Leaders and their govt enablers continue to prove to us that THEY don't give a hoot about what WE want.

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Posted by curious on 09/24/2014 at 11:27 AM

Re: “'The stars have aligned'

Makepeace would be an excellent alternative candidate for those who are reluctant to elect yet another "conservative." Perhaps voters will see that simply labeling one's self as a conservative or "right of center" is no longer enough to move this city forward.

Conservatives keep asking [on a national level] "Are you better off now than you were 5-10 years ago" in reference to their assumption that left-of-center politicians have ruined the country with their policies. Well, locals should ask themselves the same question. If they're coherent and breathing their answer would resoundingly be "No!!" Our local economy, welfare, quality of life, and national image has deteriorated to the point where COS is viewed as a joke or is considered irrelevant. That's a direct result of a decade of staunch right-of-center leadership. Don't believe it? Check it out yourself. "Centrist" or left-of-center leadership couldn't make things worse.

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Posted by goldsabbath on 09/24/2014 at 10:02 AM

Re: “Inside Manitou's hot market

I guess the retail cannabis shop didn't destroy Manitou.

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Posted by Lalahartma on 09/24/2014 at 9:28 AM

Re: “'The stars have aligned'

Mary Lou Makepeace makes for an exceptional candidate. I believe that Purvis' comment completely disregards the fact that there are over 600'000 people in Colorado Springs now and they are quite tired of the same old, same old. If you have any hope of cleaning up Colorado Springs and making it an attractive place to live you have to move in a more progressive direction. Can't the people of the Springs recognize that you keep running down the same old rabbit hole and nothing changes. Respecting the voice of the entire community and not just the same old money lords can significantly improve the quality of life here. I can't express how exciting it is to have Ms. Makepeace run. She is the Colorado Springs community.

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Posted by COSmom on 09/24/2014 at 9:16 AM

Re: “Selling public lands, minorities and the Park Service, and more

Jill while I am not opposed to the death penalty I will ask you where you get your information. First off the prisoner on death row dont have "free" TV AC and all that nonsense. They sit in a cell 23 hours a day if they want any extras they have to buy them with canteen funds just like all the other prisoners. Then it has to be approved by the Warden. Now as far as legal a death penalty trial takes years because they go through the mountain of legal maneuvers like there doing with Holmes right now. You know the ones like if hes sane or if cameras or if his mommy done him right or what color tie his lawyer wears and on and on. Then theres the years of his right to appeal. Four more court rooms and Judges before a Governor even sees his appeal hit the desk. These things take time and big legal money, big money. Yes there are some places and legal outfits that go to bat for the convected and a lot of times they find that there not guilty of the crime and that justifies the time and money spent. This is our system it does work 90% of the time and its a lot better then the system that your pushing for like the one in the Middle East where they just lop off there heads after just being accused. We are a civilized society and Hick has his right to oppose killing anyone regardless of there crime. I respect the man for not bowing to pressure from others for doing what he feels is wrong. Thats his right as a human and an American. Yes I agree the ones that Dunlap killed didnt have the chance he has but we cant change the past but we sure shouldnt change the system just because a bunch of people have there panties in a wad over not killing him. And killing him wont change the fact he killed them. Personally I think Prison should be a lot harder then it is. Making little rocks from big rocks or chain gangs is a lot better deterrent to crime then the death penalty. But Ive seen the inside of Prisons and am well aware of what truly goes on. Some can be rehabilitated some can not and those that cant should be worked and worked hard but again thats my opinion and as an American I have that right just as Hickenlooper has a right to his.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 09/24/2014 at 8:20 AM

Re: “Selling public lands, minorities and the Park Service, and more

If you feel that the time has come to eliminate the destruction to property from out of control storm and flood waters, improve our region's ability to draw in tourists, and want to improve the economic viability of the entire region, and would like to Volunteer to assist in gaining passage for Issue 1B - there is good news: You can help! Volunteers are now being 'pre-enrolled'. If you would like to have the satisfaction of knowing you helped gain passage of this measure - and have two to four hours a week to volunteer. or your social or civic group would like to form a volunteer team, please let us know. The information you enter goes direct to the Pikes Peak Stormwater Task Force Volunteer Coordinator. Thank you!…

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Posted by Staci6 on 09/24/2014 at 4:25 AM

Re: “UPDATE: City agrees to pay PERA $190 million

look back - I said the city would lose, the city wasted tax dollars, and YOU
yes YOU voted for these idiots?

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Posted by apathetic on 09/23/2014 at 11:41 PM

Re: “The Springs' political game has changed

What kind of fucking idiot are you? Douglas Bruce was a "powerful agent" for change?? We can't expect "an individual of change like that to come around again?" Let's hope now. Yeah, Bruce sure continued his activism to reduce government expenditures and taxes in Colorado and in Colorado Springs in particular UNTIL being indicted for a decades-worth of criminal activity for "cheating" Colorado out of millions under the guise of charity and anti-tax activism. In 2011, Douglas Bruce was convicted of all counts in the indictment, including four counts of felony criminal activity including money laundering, attempted improper influence of a public official, and tax fraud after he was discovered to be using a small-government charity he founded to hide millions of dollars from the state department of revenue. He was USING A CHARITY to hide money he stole from hard-working Americans!!! Sure....he was against taxes, until those taxes conveniently lined his fat pockets. He was OKAY with stealing money from his fellow Americans. He's a sociopath. And before you cry conspiracy of some other junk nonsense, get yourself help for being an enabler of sociopathic politicians. For everything else, there is NO cure for stupid.

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Posted by Bill Boggs on 09/23/2014 at 10:18 PM

Re: “UPDATE: City agrees to pay PERA $190 million

With attorney fees and interest accrued in the escrow account, what was the total additional cost to Colorado Springs because its leaders denied to pay monies what were rightfully PERA's? Was it $6.0M: 1.5 in fees, $5.0M in interest? Priceless.

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Posted by Quid pro quo on 09/23/2014 at 6:49 PM

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