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Re: “Reader: Thank God Senators followed their moral compass

Curious. How can you keep being so wrong? I guess I can lead a person to knowledge but I can't make them think.

You say: "The burden of proof rests on Ford, and she failed to prove her accusations beyond a reasonable doubt."

No. You are wrong. Criminal trials have a standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt." Civil trials have a standard of "by a preponderance of the evidence." This Kavanaugh situation is neither.

You say: "Therefore, the accused must be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty."

No. You are wrong. And so are any Senators, or talking heads, or Russians who tell you otherwise.

You say: "The standards of a Court of Law have been applied in the Senate hearing, and the majority vote of the Senators was the right and proper decision. http://www.vox.com/2018/10/5/17943276/susa…"

Now there you are downright lying. Your own citation, and Collins herself state: "Mr. President, the Constitution does not provide guidance on how we are supposed to evaluate these competing claims. It leaves that decision up to each senator. This is not a criminal trial, and I do not believe that claims such as these need to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, nevertheless fairness of this terrible problem." [sic]

I should dismiss everything say based upon that misrepresentation of the case and what Collins said. You not only attribute motivations to Ford, you do the same to Collins. Have you no sense of shame, integrity or honor? What is wrong with you, Curious? Why would you do that? Can't you read?

All of your citations about Ford (re: party affiliation, Sanders, etc.) are equally disingenuous and are nothing more than a recitation of the speculative crap I've already defeated. I would say they sound exactly like what you said and they must have been listening to you. Then I remembered, that must be where you got your crap. The fact that some other person is just as wrong as you are ads no probative value to your argument. Indeed, your willingness to accept the word of some misinformed sap who's opinion is based solely on speculation is sad. Sad. Remember my pussy grabbing analogy? No, I didn't think so.

You say: "It appears there is a personal reason for Ford to know Kavanaugh's name. From: https://100percentfedup.com/red-flags-ever"

No, it doesn't. Your link is to a whole host of articles. Please cite which one you are talking about. Maybe pull a quote or the title so I know which one to read. Jeesh. I'm not asking you to blue-book anything. Just quit slinging unsupported, speculative crap.

Finally, you say: "Its also been revealed that Judge Kavanaughs mother presided over the bankruptcy trial of Christine Batey Fords parents. Folks...Christine Ford's mom (Paula k blasey) and dad (Ralph G Blasey) we're defendants in a foreclosure case in Maryland in 1996. Guess who the judge was? Martha G Kavanaugh, mother of Brett Kavanaugh. Go to the Maryland Judiciary Case Search Criteria page: http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/cases… In the Case Number search column, type 156006V and click Get Case. Then learn that the parents of Kavanaughs accuser were defendants in a court case his mother presided over."

You know Hillary ran a child sex-slave ring out of a pizza parlor, right? You are engaged in what is called "speculation". It is not evidence. But I'll play. Why don't you tell us if the the alleged judge in the alleged case ruled for or against Ford's alleged parents? From all the information you provided, Kavanaughs alleged mom might have done Ford's alleged parents a solid.

Here's the deal, curious: I would have to vet the sincerity of your curiosity before I deigned to satisfy it. That would require that I care. I don't. I cede the floor to you and your Russian handlers.

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Posted by Huck Mucus on 10/21/2018 at 7:09 PM

Re: “Reader: Thank God Senators followed their moral compass

To those who question Kavanaugh's fitness to serve on the Supreme Court, or who believe that Ford did not get a fair or comprehensive hearing, or that it's the Court of Public Opinion that should decide the Judge's fate, read the transcript of Susan Collins speech given in the confirmation hearing. Her examination of Kavanaugh's judicial record over the past 12 years is thorough. The burden of proof rests on Ford, and she failed to prove her accusations beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, the accused must be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. The standards of a Court of Law have been applied in the Senate hearing, and the majority vote of the Senators was the right and proper decision.
http://www.vox.com/2018/10/5/17943276/susa…

Re Ford's motivation: There may be a personal reason for Ford to know Kavanaugh's name. From: https://100percentfedup.com/red-flags-ever…
"Its also been revealed that Judge Kavanaughs mother presided over the bankruptcy trial of Christine Batey Fords parents. Folks...Christine Ford's mom (Paula k blasey) and dad (Ralph G Blasey) we're defendants in a foreclosure case in Maryland in 1996. Guess who the judge was? Martha G Kavanaugh, mother of Brett Kavanaugh. Go to the Maryland Judiciary Case Search Criteria page: http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/cases… In the Case Number search column, type 156006V and click Get Case. Then learn that the parents of Kavanaughs accuser were defendants in a court case his mother presided over.", a google search turned up these tidbits from https://pointofview.net/articles/questions…

From https://pointofview.net/articles/questions…
"15. In your letter you stated you decided to come forward because you had a sense of guilt that it would be wrong to remain silent. Your attorney has insisted in the media that your decision to come forward was not politically motivated. You are a registered Democrat in California, you have donated to Democratic campaign organizations, including the Bernie Sanders campaign, and left-leaning organizations like ActBlue. You have also protested wearing a brain cap against President Donald Trumps proposal to cut science funding. Suppose Judge Kavanaugh was a Democrat and had been nominated by President Barack Obama. Would you still have come forward?"

From https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4081… Ford's attorney is an anti-Trump activist.

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Posted by curious on 10/21/2018 at 7:03 PM

Re: “Tony Wolusky wants to be on University of Colorado's Board of Regents

He seems to be a good choice in the field.

But student loan debt will not be solved locally and by local universities, which depend totally on federal or state money (which is often contingent upon federal dollars): that's a pipe dream. The student loan industry and its lobbyists are very powerful and have deep pockets. The first thing they should teach students - the very first thing they should hear upon their very first day on campus - is that universities are about making money as much as they are about educating, and any honest professor will tell you this. But good luck with that.

The fact that we aren't addressing the need for free higher education for all (to include trades and other "non-traditional" occupations) is the real issue. So he's simply singing a familiar tune: let's work on lowering educational costs! Didn't Hillary Clinton spout the same rhetoric?

In the mean time, and as we speak, a whole new group of millions of students are borrowing money and going into debt before their lives really begin. How many more people have to be ruined before this ends?

Tell us Tony, who paid for all your degrees? Let me take a wild guess: the military? That is, federal money that you didn't have to pay back.

On second thought, perhaps Tony isn't such a good candidate.

Posted by Josey on 10/21/2018 at 1:44 PM

Re: “Local women, kids face housing shortage

"Oddly, Ayers says the women can attend but arent required to participate in religious activities, but Boston says they are required to attend Bible studies and church."

True compassion doesn't have conditions. But the hallmark of Christianity is proselytizing, so...

Posted by Josey on 10/21/2018 at 1:22 PM

Re: “Public safety workers allege racial discrimination and sexual harassment in Fountain

Trainor has to be fired. Corruption will continue until he leaves. Giving Anstine 10 years of health care is sickening. Look how many families Anstine destroyed because of his lies. Those lying Captains are still getting paid to do nothing. They dont have to respond to any calls. They make a shift roster and order toilet paper. Fire all of them and hire a command staff that works engines and are qualified to be leaders.

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Posted by Reality Chek on 10/21/2018 at 11:03 AM

Re: “Reader: Thank God Senators followed their moral compass

Hey Curious:

What was Ford's motivation? It's a certainty that she had a motivation or motivations. All you have to do is read the transcript of her testimony and combine it with your previous citation which stipulated that it wasn't fame or the benefits that spring from it. See how simple that is? Read the record. While the Republican senators cast aspersions on the motivations of their colleagues, even they admit Ford was credible, if mistaken, and I don't recall any of them suggesting her motivations had anything to do with judicial philosophy. She testified that she didn't want to come forth until she heard Kavanaugh was on the short list, and even then she did not want her name out there. It was leaked by some Democrats with political motivations.

You say you are 100% positive the political Democrats motivation was blah blah blah. So what? That is irrelevant. You say somewhere you read blah blah blah. Was that Faux News or some Republican who's motivation was blah blah blah? Who cares. The point here is, you attributed a bunch of BS to Ford and have NO evidence. Why don't you ask her? Guess what? You don't have to. She's already been asked. The Record speaks for itself.

While you are correct this is a comment board and not a Court of Law, you said: "She doesn't want him - a jurist who applies the original intent of the Founders to legal matters that come before him - to be on the Supreme Court. Ford, like 4 of the 9 current Court justices, wants the Constitution to be a "living" document, subject to the feelings and wishes of the judges who see that their duty is to make law rather than interpret the law against the standard established in the Constitution."

You have provided NO evidence to support your argument. All you have is speculation. Speculation is NOT evidence. It can't be pulled from the evidentiary record.

Regarding citations, you don't have to look beyond the Record that was made before the public, under oath, and witnessed by Senators and the public. Duh. If you have something beyond that, great, but you've been asked and you have squat (other than speculation).

You ask "And how about those who believe Ford's motivation has nothing to do with "constitutionalists" provide citations to back up their opinion." You just don't get it, do you Curious? The burden of proof is NOT on us. It's on you. But even if the burden ever did shift, I'd point you to the Record and virtually every Republican Senator who was on the panel, as well as YOUR OWN citations, which directly answer the question about her motivations. Besides, we don't have to prove a negative.

As to the unrelated issues about Trump's alleged sexual misbehavior not belonging in this discussion, you obviously lack familiarity with the concept of analogy. I did not offer it for the truth of the matter asserted, and expressly discounted that reading when I said I'm not that stupid. Rather, I offered it to show you how stupid it is for you to attribute a position on judicial philosophy to Ford merely because of party affiliation or what Feintstein said. It's like attributing to Republicans a position on pussy grabbing because of what their leader said. Doh!

Finally, I'm not calling you stupid. I'm calling your arguments/position stupid. Take that for what it's worth.

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Posted by Huck Mucus on 10/20/2018 at 5:35 PM

Re: “Indy's 2018 general election endorsements

> typical Indy endorsement garbage, way off common
> sense and reality as it is every election.

That's exactly why I come here. I ALWAYS read the Indy endorsements before voting... just to make sure, well most of the time, I vote OPPOSITE of their endorsements. About 10% of the time I am aligned with the Indy. But otherwise, I chose the opposite of their endorsements.

Especially for governor this year... the Indy lets bias get in the way of fact. Polis is charlatan who beats women. But because they don't like Trump, the Indy tells you to go with the misogynist anyway. It's shocking in this day and age of #MeToo and #TimesUp than an abuser is getting a free pass.

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Posted by corn29 on 10/20/2018 at 5:24 PM

Re: “Reader: Thank God Senators followed their moral compass

What was Ford's motivation? It's a certainty that she had a motivation or motivations. And I'm 100% positive the political Democrats motivation was to keep a "constitutionalist" off the Supreme Court. I've provided evidence of this from the words of Senator Dianne Feinstein. And somewhere I read that activist Democrat Ford shares the prevailing political Democrat's viewpoint on this issue.

This is a comment board. It is not a Court of Law. Citations are handy things to use to bolster one's arguments, and no one loves a citation, and is more eager to share one or a dozen with the world, than I am. If locating the citation being requested is simpler than finding a needle in a haystack - and the info online is more like a mountain than a molehill - I'll make the effort. And how about those who believe Ford's motivation has nothing to do with "constitutionalists" provide citations to back up their opinion.

BTW, name calling and asking my opinion on unrelated issues, such as Trump's alleged sexual misbehavior, does not belong in this discussion.

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Posted by curious on 10/20/2018 at 4:25 PM

Re: “Welcome to Kolorado, Klan Kountry

Durango Colorado is a place where it's openly supported. Proud to be KKK and pushing minorities out of the community with help of police, courts and schools. If you're brown skinned or Asian just avoid Durango all together.
The college is being run by racist people as well.

Posted by NDN@T on 10/20/2018 at 3:22 PM

Re: “Eight recipes to celebrate Latin cuisine in Trump's America

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Posted by Carol Suero on 10/20/2018 at 3:19 PM

Re: “Manitou French Pastries

Apple/apricot pastry is very good. Waiting for the quiche to warm up and will enjoy it for lunch.

Parking was available on the street for 15 minutes. Quite convenient.

Recommend this shop to all.

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Posted by Phil Karr on 10/20/2018 at 1:15 PM

Re: “Reader: Vote for the climate

Hi TrueIndependent: I hear your argument a lot from folks, usually referencing Al Gore and his arrow planes and motors and his big house and alleged hypocrisy as he flies around the world trying to stop global warming. But I'm confused.

You understand capitalism and free-markets, right? So if I if I'm green, want clean air, and don't want to be a hypocrite, then I should conserve a gallon of gas. But that increases the gas supply, right? And if the supply is increased, what does that do to the price? It lowers it, right? If the price goes down, what does that do to demand? It stimulates demand, right? So, if I conserve a gallon of gas, it just makes it easier for Rush Limbaugh to roll-coal with his muscle truck, wasting gas, and defeating my purpose, all while I walk, breathe his shit, and he gets where he's going. What am I to do?

This means, in my back-water, low-brow opinion, that the only real way of achieving my ends is to seek system-wide regulation/legislation, forcing *everyone* to conserve. I mean, the market won't provide me with clean air until what is now clean free air gets so rare as to increase the demand therefor, putting a price on it which I have to pay to someone who currently doesn't own it. Maybe Rush is driving around making investments in future clean-air-providing start-ups, compounding his wealth at the expense of my health.

In short, people who charge me with hypocrisy for using gas while championing legislation/regulation that forces everyone to conserve, well, they can go F themselves. They are usually the same chicken-hawks who champion regulation/legislation that forces everyone to support a war while they don't themselves pick up daddy's old '06, buy a plane ticket to some shit-hole overseas and fight for what they say is a righteous cause. Who's the hypocrite?

Neither, really. They both understand that some things just can't be done alone or by the free market. Somethings are a waste of time to tackle by yourself because, after all, Saddam would eat your lunch and take your girl. You know, so you come begging other people to sacrifice their sons and daughters.

Some folks are just asking you to slow your roll on energy consumption. It could be climate related or clean air related or whatever.

But if you're all about free markets, then maybe the cost of gas should include the value of clean air lost. I'd say Limbaugh could send me money for the air that he's trashed, but I'm not selling. Some day the markets will force a society-wide "falling down." Hopefully it's sooner rather than later.

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Posted by Huck Mucus on 10/20/2018 at 12:35 PM

Re: “The Indy’s 2018 election endorsement cheat sheet

Indy got it wrong on Sec of State. Vote Jena Griswold, she will continue and improve Colorados progressive election system, that was designed and approved by the Democratic-controlled legislature several years ago. This is why we have mail ballots, same day registration, and vote centers, thanks to Democratic leaders. Inactive voters are not automatically removed the way they were before the new law passed.
Griswolds Opponent, Wayne Williams, fought this bill every step of the way when he was the Clerk and Recorder in El Paso County. He wants to continue to pull the same deceptive voter suppression tactics that Republicans use everywhere to get their candidates in. Williams was one of the few Secs of State nationwide who agreed to send COs voter data to DC to be examined by Trumps sham voter commission which has since been disbanded. Close to 1,000 CO voters cancelled their registration rather than have their data turned over to that nut-case Kobach, now running for Gov. In Kansas.
Williams is a corrupt, career politician who should be ejected from public service ASAP! No more Republican dirty tricks. Cant imagine how the Indy got it so wrong.....
JENA GRISWOLD FOR SEC OF STATE!

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Posted by prairie chix on 10/20/2018 at 9:46 AM

Re: “Public safety workers allege racial discrimination and sexual harassment in Fountain

I said absolutely. She's a great gal." A Herberer direct quote. Really Sir what century are you living in. A Great Gal! Not a strong capable individual with the best credentials to train others in this highly competitive demanding career field. No wonder the agency appears to be supportive of sexual misconduct.

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Posted by Robin Hamilton Bonk on 10/20/2018 at 8:58 AM

Re: “Reader: Vote for the climate

"Tannim, dear--I'm just curious. I'm sure you will either call me a name or tell me I am nonsensical or curse at me or some other such garbage"

As you proceed to attack with: "make an ass of yourself" " I'm not the jackass whisperer"

Project much, Paula George?

"Chose to incarnate"? I think you may need to rearrange your mental power crystals!

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Posted by TrueIndependent on 10/20/2018 at 7:41 AM

Re: “Reader: Vote for the climate

Kimia, you know your phone charges off burning coal right? All those selfies you take and post on Facebook are contributing to the degradation and inevitable destruction of the planet, because some of Miami will be under water, right? Please stop with the egregious selfie taking, for the future of mankind and nature and like, stuff.

By the way, will you be taking or have you taken a senior trip? Do you or your family frequent the airport? Do you ride public transportation??????? [that one makes me giggle, because you probably drive an import!]

Getting lectured by rich kids is getting old. Your carbon footprint is bigger than most humans. Clean up your own wasteful habits before lecturing the rest of us, puhlease!

By the way, you're getting too white-ified wearing leggings? You and yours are racist!

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Posted by TrueIndependent on 10/20/2018 at 7:33 AM

Re: “Public safety workers allege racial discrimination and sexual harassment in Fountain

BobfortheTruth:

Your deleted comment:

Do you feel it was deleted because it stood against what the Indy reported or is their anything in the comment that would have compromised identities of private citizens which might be cause for pulling down a comment or some other reason it may have violated posting standards? I write some pretty damn nasty stuph considering our current crop of electeds and the fact I am basically a nasty person - - but have not experienced having comments removed just because they are critical of an article - - at least by the Indy.

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Posted by R Wehner on 10/20/2018 at 1:39 AM

Re: “Insane Clown Posse at The Black Sheep show preview

Why does the music man writer here seem to dislike or distrust the FBI? I guess it must be because of political leanings of the Indy and they are forcing the boy to think as the editor does. A real rock and roll rebel! Stick it the man! Up against the wall motherfucker! Who Are The Brain Police???

Posted by Bob Wyman on 10/19/2018 at 11:07 PM

Re: “Public safety workers allege racial discrimination and sexual harassment in Fountain

For all those asking.......(only one) yes pic of post that was taken down. Hard to believe myself but #fake news exsists everywhere. Sad for everyone.

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Posted by bobforthetruth on 10/19/2018 at 11:00 PM

Re: “Public safety workers allege racial discrimination and sexual harassment in Fountain

Bonforthetruth

I couldnt agree more!!

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Posted by Fountainwatchman on 10/19/2018 at 10:58 PM

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