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Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

All this twaddle about truth versus transparency is nothing but a smokescreen. The real problem is that Putin's paramour is a pathological liar, and when exposed, he muddies the waters with bogus claims that the media are the ones who are lying. Immediately, his most fanatic followers (the true deplorables) begin campaigns of personal harassment and intimidation against individual reporters. This is naked censorship.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/20/2017 at 11:25 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Sirs:
You are both saying the same thing - just that one of you is arriving at (what I see as) the truth coming from the east, and one coming to it from the west :)
I'm so tired of the word "transparency". But I don't find "truth" in it's lists of synonyms. If politicians won't provide it (transparency), then reporters must dig for it (truth). At it's best, the press must be tireless, fearless, as well as tiresome and fearsome until the truth is revealed. For these qualities, journalists will be both lauded and decried AT THE SAME TIME. As my dad used to say, "It all depends on whose ox is getting gored."

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Posted by doonya on 01/20/2017 at 10:05 PM

Re: “Local developers make two picks for Colorado Springs City Council

All candidates are welcome to let us know about campaign events that we can then tell our readers are happening. The Independent plans to endorse candidates as the election draws nearer. The filing deadline is Monday, Jan. 23.

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Posted by Pam Zubeck on 01/20/2017 at 5:07 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

LOL that may very well be Joel. There was a lot of butt smooching as well but there always is with those in power. I just hope Im wrong and this Country does not go off the deep end under Trump. We have been on the edge since Clinton was The President but what the hell Im about done anyway. But I hope to leave my kids and granbabies with the same freedoms Ive known. Its been good for the most part.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 01/20/2017 at 5:04 PM

Re: “Local developers make two picks for Colorado Springs City Council

Too bad the readers and the editors of the Independent are so weak and ineffectual. A paper with any influence would not only identify the best competitors, but would begin supporting them with both articles and solicitations for public events, social gatherings, and donations.

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Posted by ConcernedCitizen on 01/20/2017 at 4:35 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Also...for every reporter that said "it stank," there would be 10 that said it was lovely and fragrant. :)

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/20/2017 at 11:45 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

I think we agree on the necessity of the press. I disagree that the press has been after Obama. Had the same issues arisen with anyone else, those stories wouldn't have taken years to pick up steam. I believe the narrative that Trump is "moving the press out of his way" is narrative fabricated by some of the media who have been called out about their bias. To expand the access of the press outside the 40-50 elite in the WH press corps to hundreds as has been discussed would be a good thing. That may not make those 40-50 elitists happy, but it should make Americans happy. I'll withhold my judgment to see what actually transpires and if, as you suggest, Trump "moves the press out of his way," I'll be right next to you in expressing outrage.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/20/2017 at 11:33 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

I think there were many many out cries over the last 8 years. Many many things were uncovered after the fact and then reported on after the press was lied to. As they have with past admins. Look at the Clinton debacle, the Bengazi debacle as well as the E mail crap. There has been no pass. Those are a big part of why I didnt vote for her. Hell Obama couldnt fart without some reporter saying it stank. I think he has been the most scrutinized President in my lifetime. There should never be a pass for anyone that represents the People of this Country no matter what party a person support's. I didnt vote for Trump simply because he has not shown me hes trust worthy or knows what hes getting into. Now that hes trying to move the press out of his way is just another reason to make me wonder what hes going to be or is hiding. Frankly that should worry every American. But again thats my opinion.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 01/20/2017 at 11:03 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Rocky Smith: I agree 100% that transparency is necessary from any administration. Why, then, was there no outcry for the lack of transparency for the last eight years? This doesn't give anyone a pass, but selectively demanding access from one administration, after having given a pass for another because you like him is not the answer. And while I agree that "many of the news programs reported what they were being fed because access to the truth was being hidden," when the truth is hidden, it is the sacred responsibility of the free press to find it and report it with integrity. So, for a press machine to have refused to find and uncover the truth and accept what was handed to them as truth to then suddenly make calls to integrity in reporting is a hollow cry. If it were genuine, it would have not started as no. 45 is sworn in but would have been omnipresent. Yes, access is essential and it must be there. But to expect that any official would welcome false reporting is a ridiculous expectation--no more than it would have been for me at the local level to praise the libelious and lying rhetoric published by the Gazette about me. I still gave them access, but they had no interest in genuine integrity if it it didn't match their agenda and I would certainly feel justified in calling them out for their lack of integrity. That was my right. It should be the right of the President to call out the lack of press integrity.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/20/2017 at 10:06 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Joel How do you fight against corruption? Ive watched you fight back against many of the outright lies right here in the Springs. You had access to the truth. Many of the news programs reported what they were being fed because access to the truth was being hidden. If innuendo is all your being fed then innuendo is all thats going to come out until the truth is found. Transparency from any administration is the only way the whole truth is going to be reported on the first time. If this President and his people want only the truth to be reported then access must be there and the truth must be told from the start.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 01/20/2017 at 8:23 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

I'm sorry...on the one hand they want access (and should get it) yet on the other they threaten by innuendo that they'll fill their airtime and column inches with revenge for their perceived mistreatment--not with a commitment to
integrity. This is what many people rejected and why trust in the media is at an all-time low: instead of laying unbiased information for citizen consumption to form their own opinions that media outlets are picking sides and then trying to fill airtime and column space to support their side. That is not the kind of journalism that benefits a free republic.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/20/2017 at 7:22 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech are both enshrined in the Constitution. Before Putin's Puppet takes the oath of office, his right to harangue the press is protected by his right to free speech. Once he is sworn in, however, he is no longer a private citizen and he is duty-bound to defend the press. Any attempt to "slap down" the media will be seen for what it is--illegal government censorship and possibly an impeachable offense.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/19/2017 at 11:49 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Trump to media - Behave and be decent or get slapped down again. The media bullies earned what they got.

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Posted by 80923 on 01/19/2017 at 10:54 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

A true Journalist will keep Politicians honest and forthright. Think of the many things that have came to light because of the freedom of the press. Watergate, Iran Contra, WMDs that were there but then were not, that goofball Weiner, Clinton with his pants down the list goes on and on. Who will keep these guys on the up and up with out the press. Wheres all the freedom loving, liberty loving Conservatives now. These are our rights to ya know.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 01/19/2017 at 5:40 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Pam

Can you just Tweet this out?

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 01/19/2017 at 4:34 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs Forward holds fundraiser for select council candidates

What about electing replacements for Dist 2 and Dist 3 - and vote to keep the current council members in place? They are predictably ultra-conservative and regressive but they have not been part of the problem - with the exception of Bennett and the public is stuck with him anyway - none really seem to be total "roll-over votes" for the power groups. For the 'trust' problem that seems to be a regular topic of conversation, is that not at the top and the Chief of Staff?

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 01/19/2017 at 2:18 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs Forward holds fundraiser for select council candidates

If CSF supports it, then the smart and correct position is to oppose it.

The better slate will be the ones put forth that are backed by the cannabis businesses.

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Posted by Tannim on 01/19/2017 at 1:54 PM

Re: “UPDATE: New website blasts El Paso County Sheriff Elder

More circus act behavior from third-rate grifters elected by third-rate voters.

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Posted by OldCrank on 01/19/2017 at 11:59 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs Forward holds fundraiser for select council candidates

People of Colorado Springs: WAKE UP.

CSF is NOT your friend and does not mean you well.

Developers, greedsters of all sorts, and lying politicians want to steal CSU out from under us. Remember how they tried to steal Memorial Hospital System and GIVE it to McEvoy? We put an end to that crap; we need to stop this crap.

They will privatize CSU, jack up rates, and laugh all the way to the bank.

Is it so horrible that CSU rates are 25% cheaper than Pueblo, Denver or Boulder? Is it terrible that CSU service is excellent? Is it a crime that money we spend on CSU stays local? Do we want to muddy the best water in the country? Do you want to pay 25% more?

They foisted the "strong mayor" on us and now they want their bought and paid for mayors to pick a Utility Board of their own scammers which will be the pathway used to steal CSU out from under us. Do NOT forfeit your right to vote on the future of CSU.

If we need to replace Drake we can do that without term-limits crook Lathen, the cabal of developers behind her, and phony organizations like CSF.

Do NOT be fooled by nice sounding names put on false-front organizations, the only thing they plan to move "forward" is their own wealth.

WAKE UP. Do not let them steal CSU for themselves and their pals.

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Posted by OldCrank on 01/19/2017 at 11:50 AM

Re: “Cirque du Soleil's OVO impresses

Cirque shows are amazing; we've seen two of them, they are part of the reason Ringling Bros just announced they are folding their tents and shutting down.

Once Ringling stopped elephant acts last year ticket sales declined notably; the rest of their show isn't competitive with "Cirque" or the horse-based Cavalia shows.

If we want to see lions, tigers and elephants we can go to the zoo.

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Posted by OldCrank on 01/19/2017 at 11:44 AM

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