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Re: “Coal Mine Dragon's punishing lunch buffet

That place is awful. The one on uintah is great.

Posted by roger.butts on 11/17/2017 at 1:28 PM

Re: “Reader: We are killing ourselves

"I continue to wait for Second Amendment proponents to provide positive constructive proposals to at least decrease the shootings of our citizens. " -- Michael Fitzgibbons

Then you are apparently not listening because we provide positive constructive proposals all the time. Enforce the laws we have, fix our mental health system, and so on. Heck, background checks were actually an idea first proposed by the pro-Second Amendment side. Look up Project Exile while you are at it.

"because any gun control probably will not help"

In the cases of most mass shootings, you are correct, most gun control laws would be ineffective. Take for example the dumb "expanded" background checks, which doesn't make the background checks any more stringent, but rather applies the to all transfers including private ones -- as Colorado unadvisedly passed several years ago. In nearly all the mass shootings that have captured headlines, the gunman PASSED a background check, often several of them. So why people think making this apply to all transfers will prevent such shootings is beyond me, it is just pure folly. Yet that is exactly what Bloomberg, the groups he funds (Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Everytown for Gun Safety) and Mark Kelly/Gabby Giffords' group Americans for Responsible Solutions (now called Giffords, and at least partially financially tied to Bloomberg) call for all the time.

"the Constitution protects our right to any weapon of mass destruction "

No the Constitution does not. But many people misuse the term "weapons of mass destruction" to apply to firearms. WMDs are defined as nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons or very high yield conventional explosives (think MOAB).

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Posted by Dave H on 11/17/2017 at 12:10 PM

Re: “Reader: Aren't nuclear weapons arms?

"Well, a nuclear weapon qualifies as arms." -- Dave Tintle

Ah yes, the infamous "nuke argument" gets trotted out yet again. We have been seeing uninformed people bringing out this argument for decades and it is just as defective now as it always has been.

No, nuclear weapons do not count as "arms" under the Second Amendment.

First of all, the Second protects our ability to keep and bear arms. That means they are items which an average individual can afford, safely store, and properly maintain (keep), and to transport, carry, serve, and operate (bear) all by their lonesome. Nukes are quite beyond that definition.

Second, the term "arms" used in the Second Amendment relies on the definition from English Common Law (most people are unaware that ECL is the basis of most of our jurisprudence in the US). In this case ECL, via Sir Edward Coke, defined arms as being those items of common use by individuals for one on one personal combat. A nuke fails to meet that definition as it is not of common use, it takes a team of people to use them, and they are not used in one on one personal combat -- they are area effect, indiscriminate ordnance.

This definition is why we can have special restrictions on area effect and crew served items explosives, artillery, and machine guns -- they do not qualify as "arms" under the Second Amendment.

Evidence of this can also be found in the Militia Acts of the 1790s, contemporaneous with the penning of the Second Amendment. In these acts, we can see that people were required to come bearing their own arms:

"provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and power-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder ; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger (a type of short sword), and espontoon (a short pike like weapon)"

All the items they are expected to have are things and average individual can afford, safely store, and properly maintain, and to transport, carry, serve, and operate, and are items of common use by individuals for one on one personal combat. Noticeably absent are area effect items and crew served weapons like grenades (yes, they existed back then) and other explosive devices, artillery (even though many people owned their own cannon/howitzers). If needed, those would be provided by the government.

So, Dave, the answer to your question, "Aren't nuclear weapons arms? " is no, they are not.

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Posted by Dave H on 11/17/2017 at 11:53 AM

Re: “A look at voter turnout across the region

the funny thing is that repubicans always prefer a lower vote turn out... it appears that it didn't help the teabaggers much this last election... also... if you didn't vote... stfu!

Posted by happyfew on 11/17/2017 at 11:29 AM

Re: “A look at voter turnout across the region

no we just understand that no matter what we want the city council does whatever it wants......we want rec pot to pay for all the improvements being done we don't want a raise in taxes...see where that got us? this isn't OUR city this is THEIR city...we don't count. we thought we did, but it seems we were wrong.....even with us not voting in force...they still pass whatever they want and justify it..............and no one says a word......cuz if they did they would become a target....

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 11/17/2017 at 8:34 AM

Re: “Reader: Aren't nuclear weapons arms?

that's military hardware....some are available with a class A permit. but those are not.......the brain power it took to come up with that nonsense is overwhelming!!!

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 11/17/2017 at 8:30 AM

Re: “Sheriff Elder lashes out at Indy reporter

:)

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Posted by Holmes on 11/16/2017 at 9:25 PM

Re: “Sheriff Elder lashes out at Indy reporter

Whats that Holmes? You claim you dont work at EPSO, and are not connected to the sheriff, yet you make a comment like that. Hmmm...just blew your cover, genius.

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Posted by Skeet on 11/16/2017 at 8:00 PM

Re: “Sheriff Elder lashes out at Indy reporter

You're in for a huge disappointment!! Wish that I could share more! Please stand by!!

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Posted by Holmes on 11/16/2017 at 7:08 PM

Re: “Sheriff Elder lashes out at Indy reporter

Bwaahaaa, Holems you crack me up...... your either an Elder crony or your someone who thinks the the earth is flat. I know that you keep saying that the docs dont have to be notarized, but no one is distracted from the fact that Elder and/or his command staff ordered those two to notarize documents more than one year later ( which happens to be illegal and therefore a crime), But dont worry your pretty little head..... the truth is coming out and neither you or i will have to prove it. Word on the street is that it is being looked into behind the scene. And in the famous words of Jim Carrey (in the movie Liar Liar) And the truth will set you free :)

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Posted by John D on 11/16/2017 at 6:40 PM

Re: “Coal Mine Dragon's punishing lunch buffet

I've always thought the same thing.
Who wants this buffet when there are several better in the area. It's not like their delivery is any better.

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Posted by TruB on 11/16/2017 at 5:30 PM

Re: “Reader: We are killing ourselves

Maybe if the government agents to whom we pay our taxes did their jobs? The latest California shooter was not legally eligible to possess firearms. Yet when his neighbors (including one he killed) called police on multiple occasions to complain about him target practicing at all hours the local law enforcement failed to take action. Merely enforcing the tough laws passed in California would have prevented this attack by returning the shooter to jail.

Then there's the Texas church killer. If those federal employees in the Air Force had done their jobs, he wouldn't have been able to buy the weapons he used that bloody day.

If you can show me that I can rely on the government agencies that gun grabbers like yourself maintain is all we need to protect us, I might consider relinquishing the firearms I posses for self defense. But to say that we don't need them now is total foolishness.

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Posted by Richard M. Shirley on 11/16/2017 at 4:49 PM

Re: “Sheriff Elder lashes out at Indy reporter

People go off and do a lot of crazy things. You'd have to ask them. But it's true, they do not need to be notarized. Check with the CSPD, same with them. Your burden of proof is on Elder's wrongdoing. Good luck with that!

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Posted by Holmes on 11/16/2017 at 4:35 PM

Re: “Reader: Progressives want to steal America as we know it

asawatcher, your ignorance is completely astounding. The protection for firearms is contained in the right. As in individuals have the right to firearms. Furthermore, the term "arms" refers to items of common use for individuals. Semi-autos are very much "common use", so no, you cannot ban all semi-autos.

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Posted by Odin on 11/16/2017 at 4:24 PM

Re: “Sign the petition, call your congressional reps, to impeach Donald Trump

now every response is a "whataboutism" . did it ever work to say "well what about jimmy down the street, he did it too"? doubt anybody's mom bought that weak justification. "grab them by the p@$$y" trump is a scumbag... doesn't matter about anyone else.

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Posted by happyfew on 11/16/2017 at 4:21 PM

Re: “Sheriff's Office asks for crime footage

@Mike Randall - that's a great idea!

One would believe we have a right - it's a taxpayer owned building and they are government workers - their paychecks are funded by the taxpayer! It's our right! That would be some true transparency! And, didn't Elder say he was all about transparency?

And Pam, come on ... where is the KRW report?

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Posted by Asher777 on 11/16/2017 at 12:58 PM

Re: “Sign the petition, call your congressional reps, to impeach Donald Trump

@TruB Oh, rest assured, I am aware that GOPers are just a nasty as Dem officials. But here the Dems are asking to impeach the POTUS for doing things that they do as well.

Neither party does what it was originally intended to do. The GOP has swung too far to the right, the Dems have swung to far to the left, and neither is willing to work together for the good of the people. Washington DC has turned into one big cesspool.

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Posted by Mike Randall on 11/16/2017 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Sign the petition, call your congressional reps, to impeach Donald Trump

That is hysterical Mike Randall. Maybe GOPers should take personal responsibility.
Politicians on both sides are screwing Americans but you go ahead and believe that the right wing isn't part of the problem. How about you spend more time equally applying where the guilt sits. It is really humorous that with the Actions of Roy Moore you want to only believe that dems are at fault.

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Posted by TruB on 11/16/2017 at 12:03 PM

Re: “Sheriff's Office asks for crime footage

I would like to ask the Sheriff's Office to start making video available to us of the shady deals that go on behind closed doors on their 5th floor and elsewhere.

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Posted by Mike Randall on 11/16/2017 at 11:12 AM

Re: “El Paso County jail is home to people too poor to pay fines or make bail

This is terrible!!!

People should retaliate against the Sheriff's Office by not breaking the law and thus depriving the jail of any inmates. That'd teach them a lesson!!!

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Posted by Mike Randall on 11/16/2017 at 10:39 AM

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