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Re: “Reader: Give it to the rich, who cares?

Truth hurts dont it Mikey

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 01/02/2018 at 3:14 PM

Re: “Operation Peter Pan offered Cuban refugee kids a home in Colorado, but life was no fairy tale

I was very impressed with how thoroughly done your article was done,
I am sure many of us have stories that would impress those that read them.
Thank you for sharing such touching life story.
Jose Grille.

Posted by Domingo J Grille on 01/02/2018 at 2:48 PM

Re: “Reader: Give it to the rich, who cares?

Uh oh you really triggered the libtards with this one!

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:59 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

A NEW YEAR'S REMINDER from the Indy moderator: We generally view the Indy's comments zone as a free-for-all, but we reserve the right to maintain a reasonable level of respect among commenters.

When you established your Indy online account, you agreed to abide by the rules listed at http://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/User…, which includes this bit...

"We expect posters to refrain from inflammatory and/or hate language, which will be grounds for deletion. Please be considerate and stay on-topic, particularly in comments. Personal attacks will not be tolerated."

Please, lets start 2018 with civility in mind.

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Posted by Mary Jo Meade on 01/02/2018 at 12:56 PM

Re: “Reader: Gender-cleansing our political landscape is essential

"Gender cleansing" what a loving liberal term. Remember everyone love trumps hate! (LOL)

Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:43 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

I didnt say CNN should be shut down by the government you moron Bill W. The people will decide it is fake news. CNN is going broke and eventually will go the way of the dodo bird.

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:40 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

Bill W. Dont get too sanctimonius about the first amendment when you dont even believe in the second. The first amendment doesnt protect SLANDER (like the russia pissgate dossier) or LIES. CNN is propaganda fake news headquarters but your head is so far up your own ass you cant see that.

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:28 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

UCanSeeClearlyNow is kind of correct. However, this is nothing new, as Dave H points out.

The fact that many idealistic reporters and journalists had a hard time accepting is that their job isn't so much about telling the truth or even telling their story in a fair and balanced manner. Their job is about selling, be it selling papers or selling air time. Their job is to get viewers, listeners, and readers. To bring people in. Because without viewership, they get no advertising, and that is where they make their money -- how much they can charge for advertising.

And the fact is that fair, truthful, balanced stories rarely sell very well. Sensational stories sell, and biased, less than 100% factual stories sell. And yes, biased news is fake news IMHO a well, especially when it is deliberately biased.

Trying to explain this to many reporters and journalists will not garner you any friends as many of them refuse to come to grips with the truth. Many will flat out deny it, refusing to face the facts. Their job is to sell advertising space.

While the First Amendment is extremely important, the fact is that the media has long abused their power. No right is unlimited. No right is without restrictions. No action is without consequences. Yet the media tries to demand exactly that, to the point that it is nearly impossible to hold them accountable for their actions when they lie, omit, spin, twist, etc. even if they destroy people's lives in the process. The media gets away with it time and time again. It is long past time that they be exposed for their bias, lies, omissions, and sensationalism, and be held accountable, even legally accountable, when they knowingly distort the truth.

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Posted by Dvalin on 01/01/2018 at 10:49 PM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Dr. Platten: I would not want Paul Ryan to read your article. The stats your quote are impressive and I was personally unaware of the good deeds that many churches are doing for the good of the community regarding drug abuse, veterans issues, and HIV/AIDS.
Congressman Ryan would take your article and wave it around the House of Representatives saying We dont need a social safety net for the American people! Lets dismantle it and let the churches take over. Since the churches are doing so much already they can take over and we can dispense with SNAP, WIC, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, disability issues, and providing any other forms of assistance. We are saved! Ann Ryn was right! We dont need government.

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Posted by Gary Casimir on 01/01/2018 at 5:09 PM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Bill: Re: #4. The dark money is already here. The Koch Bros. gave Focus on the Family $2.3M for their political arm. So, the current assumption is that Focus on the Family is a shill for the Koch Bros. and their unproven morally bankrupt economic and political philosophy. Focus on the Family can be discounted as a organization of religious faith.

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Posted by Gary Casimir on 01/01/2018 at 4:48 PM

Re: “Posada blames weed for homeless influx in Pueblo, Councilor says they don't need a shelter

Some of the comments from people in positions of leadership are just appalling and compassionateless...... We want to blame marijuana for increases in homelessness instead of low wages, high rents, HUD cutbacks and poor public transit because it is easier to just repeat the myths. There are real barriers that low income people face to getting off the streets, but we prefer to write them off as stoners who lack motivation? The marijuana industry is helping Colorado with job creation, new businesses and tax revenue. If anything it is adding opportunities in CO to accommodate all the people moving here, which is pushing the rents up and low-income and disabled people out onto the street. Trump gave himself a big fat tax cut for Christmas, so next year we can expect more cuts in the safety net programs that help, its pathetic. Some more enlightened leadership in Pueblo would surely help......

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Posted by prairie chix on 01/01/2018 at 11:59 AM

Re: “Ten of Trump’s insane tweets

That photo of the Oval Office was when President Obama was in office: his ever present bowl of apples!

Posted by Nancy Masterson Reinking on 01/01/2018 at 10:16 AM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Dr. Platten:

1. "The funding for most churches comes from donations, which are tax-deductible. "

The new Trump tax bill will severely limit the number of taxpayers who can deduct their charitable donations. The impact on charities, all of them, will be substantial. The new tax policy will affect the bottom line for churches of all sizes. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/busines…

2. "Assuming many average-sized churches would close if they were taxed, what would society really lose? "

See above. Substantial losses for both churches and society are already baked into the new tax cuts.

3. "The Republican tax bill initially aimed to repeal the so-called Johnson Amendment, which says nonprofits that dont pay taxes like churches cant electioneer. "

Red herring. The Johnson Amendment is rarely (and possibly never) enforced. A quick search revealed no churches losing their tax exempt status for violating the Johnson Amendment. This is not because there's no violations. It's because the IRS is reluctant to wade into the legal swamp.

4. The real issue with repealing the Johnson Amendment is that churches would (and nearly certainly would) become a magnet for dark money. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201…

5. Far from muzzling speech, the Johnson Amendment only requires churches that lobby in political campaigns to follow the same rules as all other lobbyists. If political lobbying is the goal of a church, it can surrender its tax exempt status and register as a lobbying entity. If spiritual and charitable work is the goal of a church, it can retain its tax exempt status. It's a difficult decision, but one available to any politically active church.

6. "The ministers million-dollar income will be an expense..."

Religion has always had its share of charlatans and snake oil salesmen. Rationalizing their behavior will not advance either religious or social causes.

In my view, churches can (and do) accomplish a great deal of spiritual and good without getting into politics. But if they are determined influence elections, they should be treated like every other group doing so.

I respectfully disagree with your position.

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Posted by Bill W. on 01/01/2018 at 7:17 AM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Churches and all non profits should be taxed.

Dave :-)

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Posted by William David Beadles on 12/31/2017 at 10:24 PM

Re: “Posada blames weed for homeless influx in Pueblo, Councilor says they don't need a shelter

My 22 year old son is mentally ill , an addict and living on the streets of Pueblo. There isnt a day that goes by that I dont worry about him. It is so cold there tonight. I pray he survives

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Posted by Margivj on 12/31/2017 at 8:35 PM

Re: “Road changes ahead for the Old North End

Where is the traffic that funnels off I-25 when an accident closes the road going to go?

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 12/31/2017 at 6:13 PM

Re: “Ola Juice Bar owners open vegan spot Moxie

Congratulations! I have always thought Ola would be a great franchise.

Posted by thewindcriesmary on 12/31/2017 at 5:23 PM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

If churches want to get into politics they, like many other not for profit organizations, should loose their tax free status. The constitution talks about a clear division of church and state and so in my mind churches who stray into the political arena have crossed a line.

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Posted by Albe Johnson on 12/31/2017 at 5:19 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

Sorry folks, but the media's revenue model relies heavily on click bait, meaning that absurd headlines and articles that pander to the zealots/haters are valued more than thoughtful and objective pieces that consider all the known facts of a story. Facts are boring. Opinion, spin, and inflammatory narrative are what's important if the media wants to survive.

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Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 12/31/2017 at 1:21 PM

Re: “Road changes ahead for the Old North End

I don't think this article adequately portrays the collaboration taking place among multiple stakeholders in our community. The Old North End Neighborhood (ONEN) is one of the most historic and active neighborhoods in Colorado Springs. As a volunteer neighborhood organization, ONEN has worked diligently to create positive and collaborative relationships with neighboring stakeholders and organizations, dealing with tough issues through compromise and conversation. Such an active and engaged neighborhood should be celebrated.

To illustrate, ONEN has a working group that regularly meets with members of Penrose Hospital to look at, and address, any neighborhood issues as they arise, including parking. The group has worked together to create a plan, which helps both ONEN and Penrose to be better neighbors. There was no directive from ONEN, but rather a problem that was jointly resolved in a neighborly fashion.

Another example is the relationship between our city buses and ONEN. ONEN and MMT (mountain metro) have worked diligently to create solutions to traffic challenges that work for both parties; and, in doing so, we have forged a relationship that is strong and supportive of the entire community.

As ONENs President, I could provide numerous additional examples of relationships we have worked hard to create; however the important thing is to look at how an active neighborhood advocates for itself and it's livability. The Old North End is only doing what every neighborhood should, push for safer streets and a better environment in which to live. Wanting better and safer turning opportunities along Uintah Street or speeds which match adjacent areas and are in keeping with standard residential limits only enhances our community and allows everyone to traverse our streets more safely and with less stress.

ONEN is a hard working and involved neighborhood that serves as a great example for our whole community. I just wish this article had recognized that as well!

Sincerely, Samantha Klingenberg

ONEN President

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Posted by Samantha Sammy Klingenberg on 12/31/2017 at 11:22 AM

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