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Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

This is embarrassing and you should be personally ashamed of yourself, Pam Zubeck. The young woman's father was the Commandant of Cadets aka the general officer who oversaw Cadet training and discipline. Anyone with a half an ounce of common sense could recognize this and then reasonably assume that if they're willining to publicly announce the pregnancy then there's no question they're following the rules "to a T".

Based on the information available, it doesn't seem as if there's been a violation of any of the Air Force Academy's rules or regulations. This "article" seems like nothing more than some no-name blogger's desperate attempt to generate page views by speculating about a young military couple's personal life. Next time, how about you do a little more research beyond just surfing the academy's website and "creeping" on a young woman's social media account prior to gossiping on the internet. Talk about integrity...

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Posted by JWLH on 07/11/2017 at 6:04 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

It's so laudable that the couple is being proactive about legal issues. You know what else would have been proactive? Wearing a condom. What's worse than that idiocy is having the gall, as the daughter of a general officer, to ask for money to support a kid. Give me a break. Hey granddad, why don't you kick in?

Integrity: Worst
Service Yourself
Excellence is no can do

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Posted by Pat Re on 07/11/2017 at 4:49 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

She's claiming it's "invading her privacy" yet she openly sent the "birth announcement" photo, one of her clearly pregnant and her cadet holding up a balloon that said baby, to seven different PUBLIC instagram pages to be shared PUBLICALLY with it linking back to her account... knowing they broke the rules of the academy, all to gain that ever important attention. I think the true issue is that they need to grow up the hell up.

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Posted by GetOverIt on 07/11/2017 at 4:04 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

Love how all the arm-chair quarterbacks get on here to post and yet know nothing about the honor code nor "the rules" at the Academy. First, the honor code was not broken. He did not lie, (cheat nor steal) about the relationship. In fact he was quite open about it. He did not lie about the pregnancy nor the fact that he is the father. NO HONOR CODE VIOLATIONS. In fact, he is doing the honorable thing -- marrying the young lady after he graduates. Should that not be applauded given how many absentee fathers there are in this country?

As for the rules - there are no rules against having relationships. There is a rule about no sex in the dorms, but he didn't break that one. Cadets are not allowed to have dependent, true. He must give up parental rights of this child - which he can later get back after graduation. This is not new, other cadets have had to do this. This is NOT a special treatment.

Pregnant cadets - a medical turnback, allowing the young lady to go home and have the baby, is an option. The cadets parents usually take guardianship of the baby, the cadet gives up her parental rights and can return to finish her education. As with the male cadets, she can get her parental rights reinstated after graduation. I personally do not see any special bias towards men except those caused by biology.

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Posted by ThinkBeforeYouSpeak on 07/11/2017 at 12:57 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

So here's the bottom line, a rule was broken. A rule that cadet agreed to follow the entire duration of his academy career. Every single service academy follows that same rule and guideline. If you attain a dependent during your academic career at the academy you are required to leave.....it wasn't a secret and surely they knew the rules......If they didn't want the information coming to light they shouldn't have posted anything at all. You post a pregnancy announcement on instagram where you have a big following and think nothing will come of it.....Yes accidents happen but when you have a big social media following and you disclose that a cadet basically is getting around the law I'm sorry it's wrong and someone is going to say something. She shouldn't have posted anything. She took that risk and now there are consequences for those actions. He should be held to the same standards as every other cadet and it seems like because of who she is special treatment is going to be in affect. The military academy's have those rules for a reason. It's a shame they can be followed. It's 4 years. That's not a long Time to wait. Hopefully the rules are enforced because if not it's a shame to say that breaking it is ok.

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Posted by foodforthought3 on 07/11/2017 at 12:10 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

Did I miss something? Did the cadets sign a promise to abstinence? They joined the priesthood/convent? Birth control failed! What was the other option an abortion?!? Would that have satisfied the public? This is a personal matter and no ones business! Let's see what the journalist's sex life is like. I mean she's a public person since she is writing for a public organization. I think we need to know what every one of our public figures are doing in the bedroom. Why not?!?
A good journalist would have brought up a problem and discussed both sides of the issue with experts. It's obvious a female cannot continue the military part of her training while pregnant. Do enlisted females stay deployed if they find out they are pregnant, nope! We might not like it but biology can't be stopped.

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Posted by Meh on 07/11/2017 at 9:33 AM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

I believe the new Commandant of Cadets, Brig Gen Goodwin, will get to determine the outcome of this.

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Posted by School Teacher 2014 on 07/11/2017 at 8:52 AM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

hypocrites can justify anything as long as it follows along with their current ideology. either rules and laws matter or they don't. how many of these rule breaker fans are also ok with our p***y grabber in chief and his many lies and law breaking? in a hypocrites eyes he is doing fine... or you truly have no moral character.

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Posted by happyfew on 07/11/2017 at 8:23 AM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

In other news, people have relationships and birth control sometimes fails.
Cadet Sutton is neither lying, stealing, nor cheating on, or about anything in this process. It's a shame that authors like this are allowed to call themselves "journalists," while they get their "reputable information" from Instagram or various "anonymous sources." Pam also sounds like a complete air head when drawing attention to the fact that men and women go through different processes for child bearing and trying to imply it's sexist; welcome to biology, men can't birth babies.
Maybe Pam should reconsider a career in writing if it consists solely of bashing people who strive to be everything more than she could ever hope to be.

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Posted by Anonynous_Source on 07/11/2017 at 1:15 AM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

Honor comes in all shapes and sizes. This article is written with malice and ill intent. My prayers for all involved. Such young lives being ruined by adults. Like they do not have enough hills to climb and battles to fight. Such great examples to follow aren't you independent. Imagine these were your children, wouldn't you be more supportive. Shame on you tsk tsk.

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Posted by Lynne J on 07/10/2017 at 9:53 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

Bullshit! I totally agree with this article and thank the author for posting. I am so sick and tired of rules being bended and enforced "sometimes", depending on who breaks the rules. Actions SHOULD by all means have consequences and the consequence should be equal and not dependent on if you are or are not sleeping with a Commandant's (and previous AFA graduate's) daughter! Where is the honor and integrity in knocking up a woman you are NOT married to and planning on lying about it on a birth certificate? This "cadet" will soon be a future leader in the Air Force. This is a clear erosion of the Air Force core values. Integrity First, Service BEFORE Self & Excellence In All We Do. This cadet brings shame on honor of the AFA. And this is written by a 20 year Air Force Veteran!

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Posted by AirForceVet on 07/10/2017 at 7:43 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

No intent to deceive here. Clearly not lying about having a baby. Just making the law work for them. It really isn't that hard, by not putting his name on the birth certificate that baby is not his dependent. I don't know why this particular case is being so heavily scrutinized. Certainly not the first time this has ever happened to a cadet.

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Posted by PM on 07/10/2017 at 7:27 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

This article is completely one-sided and misinformed. First of all, having a dependent is disciplinary, and unrelated to honor. Secondly, the rules state that you cannot have dependents - therefore by relinquishing your parental rights you meet that standard. Third, how could USAFA possibly enforce this standard in the same manner for both males and females?! Of course females who choose to keep their baby have to take a leave of absence, they would be unable to meet their duties as cadets while carrying a baby to term! It would be a waste of the "taxpayer dollar" to allow females to skirt required duties while they're pregnant. Males physically are not constrained in the same way expecting mothers are. Both male and female have the option to stay or to leave. Yes, women who don't want to take leave will have to give up their baby. That is not an Academy problem, it is biological. By your logic, cadets shouldn't have relationships for four years so they can reap the "full benefit of the taxpayer dollar." This idea is absurd, REAL LIFE happens and Cadet Sutton will probably learn a lot throughout this experience. In all likelihood, this will allow him to help future airmen who find themselves in a similar circumstance. Lastly, "them" moving into the new apartment in August doesn't mean that Cadet Sutton is living in the apartment. Cadets are in fact allowed off base when authorized, and many choose to spend time with local friends, families, and sponsors. Him visiting Amanda on the weekend is no different than Cadet X staying at a hotel over the weekend with his/her family when they're in town. I promise, restricting cadet access to having meaningful relationships outside the Academy HURTS their ability to create meaningful relationships as officers.

Cadet Sutton's education costs roughly $400k of the taxpayer dollar. This is a drop in the ocean compared to the money the Air Force spends on a daily basis, so if you're concerned about the federal budget I would suggest you write your senator and propose an alternative to the use or lose policy which we operate in.

Most of all, I suggest you look in the mirror and imagine being Amanda or Cadet Sutton. Of all the things they should be dealing with right now, you blogging their personal lives should not be one of them. I pray for your empathy, and their strength, focus, and growing love during this time.

Sincerely, '16

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Posted by seriously? on 07/10/2017 at 7:18 PM

Re: “Sen. Cory Gardner is nowhere to be found during July 4 recess

The Republicans are making a mistake even touching the ACA. They should just let it collapse under its own financial mis-assumptions and use the "cruel and inhumane" treatment of former recipients as a 2018 campaign issue.

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Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 07/10/2017 at 7:04 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

Am I the only one who is absolutely sick to death of "anonymous sources?" Anyone can say anything from behind a veil of secrecy. Not all who remain anonymous have the best of intentions, and neither do those who quote them.

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Posted by John Howell on 07/10/2017 at 6:26 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

I can't believe you would post something this personal on your sight. You know what? I bet this pregnancy came as a surprise. And I loved seeing that she and her fianc are respecting the life of their baby. I for one am excited for them, and Amanda if you're reading this know that there are so many cadets and former cadets who are rooting for you both. I know a few who have had children during their tenure, and it can be done. Will it be easy? No for both of you. But will it be worth it? Of course. (And the fact that you brought up the fact that Amanda's dad is a general is absurd, out of place, and attempting to be vindictive) Much love and respect for you both. Sorry that someone felt they had the responsibility to report this. They must not have had an all encapsulating life experience. Sending prayers!!
-USAFA '17

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Posted by HC on 07/10/2017 at 5:37 PM

Re: “Poll: Springs voters would approve new fee for drainage control

It's a really dented up can.

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Posted by R Wehner on 07/10/2017 at 5:28 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

Apple and oranges here, or dick and pussies if you would. A male doesn't carry to term a child therefore he is able to complete all tasks required to stay. Easy enough to understand, moron?

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Posted by Steve Martinez on 07/10/2017 at 5:01 PM

Re: “Poll: Springs voters would approve new fee for drainage control

RW: Ever notice that the city never has enough money to do it right the first but, always has enough money to do it over? Opps! The city doesn't do it over. It just kicks the can down the road for the next generation of whoever that happens to be.
Cheers

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Posted by Gary Casimir on 07/10/2017 at 4:57 PM

Re: “Can Air Force Academy cadets become parents while enrolled? Apparently so.

It is incredibly hypocritical to say it is okay to break the code you agreed to, when being accepted, over thousands of other applicants, and attending a school (that taxpayers pay for) as long as you lie about it and omit your name on the birth certificate until after your graduation. And if they feel so strongly that it is OK to do this, don't go around so publicly sharing the news of the baby. Are we being asked to see this as "boys will be boys"? The Academy was designed to showcase the finest of our generation. If this is our finest, we are in a sad state. I am not saying they are horrible young people because of this, not at all. I am simply saying, Cadet Sutton should not be allowed to graduate from an academy where he chose to dishonor the honor code. Actions have consequences. If they feel they are ready to be parents, it is time for them to act like adults and accept the responsibility. His father-in-law-to-be should be the first to admit he should be required to leave the school. Harvard denied admission to students already accepted for this fall due to them breaking the honor code they had agreed to. Surely our military academies should hold their standards at least as high. I wish them well, just not on my tax dollars or representing the Academy.

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Posted by Shaking My Head on 07/10/2017 at 4:47 PM

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