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Re: “IQ: Trite and true

Thanks for saying rod mckuen was trite and smaltzy, but I realized this even when I was young and inexperienced.

Posted by Robin Fox on 08/30/2017 at 5:21 PM

Re: “Reader: Where does the Springs fall on the tolerance spectrum?

Tolerance is all well and good, but when facing an opponent with intolerant views - views that say someone is *not properly human* because of their race, or gender, or orientation, or political affiliation, or they don't have money, and thus are morally inferior and therefore need to be subjugated and reprogrammed... or eliminated - we're not required to tolerate that. There's a big difference between disagreeing with your neighbor over whether god exists, and thinking your neighbor probably needs to be shot or deported or detained in jail because they're worshipping the "wrong" god... or they're part of the wrong political party, or they don't speak English at home with their family, or they're having sex with the wrong gender person, or they wouldn't mind their tax money going to a single-payer form of health care.

Basically, tolerance only truly works when all sides involved can be trusted to fall within the guidelines of "disagree all you want but at the end of the day we're all human and all equals" and just disagreeing on how best to care for society and who to prioritize for that care. The fact is, many of us are fighting people who think we're NOT equals and have no intention of treating us as such, will not rest until society resembles their own ideals, and thus whenever they get power, they abuse it. And that abuse is already happening right before our eyes.

It is not an imposition to INSIST that people be tolerant within those boundaries, and label people who want to go outside of them as intolerant, and not accept their behavior. That's about the size of it.

The city is, naturally, a mix of viewpoints. I'd personally say it's somewhere in the middle. Conservatism is not necessarily the same as intolerance (though I do know quite a few people who'd disagree with me there, but even the left has been guilty of intolerance itself at times.) But we certainly have our vocal intolerants.

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Posted by Jane O'Halloran on 08/30/2017 at 5:17 PM

Re: “Reader: Where does the Springs fall on the tolerance spectrum?

Oh these EPC defining evangelicals! ...so a Buddhist monk is walking with a rabbi and an evangelical minister, when they meet a farmer. The farmer says, "hey, you guys are all beggars, right? I've seen you all pass the plate. How do you decide how much money you keep and how much goes to the flock?"

The monk picks up a stick and draws a circle in the dirt. He turns his back to it, opens his coin purse, closes his eyes and tosses the coins over his shoulder. "I keep what lands in the circle, the rest buys rice for the sick and elderly."

The rabbi takes the stick and draws a triangle around the circle, and then another triangle pointing in the opposite direction. He stares at the symbol and softly tosses his coins. Many coins fell in the circle, but even more fell in the corners of the star! He smiles at the monk specifically when he puts the corner coins in his pocket. "The rest will buy winter coats for the orphans."

The minister pulls out his wad and throws it as hard and as high as he can into the clear blue sky with great exuberance. He says,"Whatever God catches, is His!"

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Posted by sid_hartha on 08/30/2017 at 9:49 AM

Re: “Reader: How far does America need to fall?

"integraty"... that's what I think about regarding our p@$&y grabber in chief.

I see the fake news sinks in deep for the uneducated supporting this sad excuse for a president.

still talking about lies about Hillary and Obama... I guess in your racist, sexist eyes all that matters is we have a white male in the oval office... WOW

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Posted by happyfew on 08/30/2017 at 9:15 AM

Re: “Reader: How far does America need to fall?

Mr. Benson:

What's "integraty?" This comment platform has spell check. You might want to use it.

"How is Muslim countries donating 350 million dollars to Hillays PAY TO PLAY campaign not interfering with our elections ."

It never happened. You know that. Not only is $350M an exaggeration, but the funds you're talking about were donations to the Clinton Foundation. Hillary had no access to ANY of that money. Even if she could have had access to it, she lost. Those donations are irrelevant disingenuous talking points used to deflect attention from the corruption of the Trump administration.

" And you liberals talk about Russia." And all you're doing is trying to change the subject, probably because you know that the Russian story is going to end in criminal trials for the Trump team. Deal with it. Your guys tried to betray our country by cooperating with our primary enemy. Some call that treason.

So you don't like liberal "fit throwing?" Name a single time when the Trump administration reached out to anyone who didn't vote for him. Name one time he sincerely tried to bridge gaps and unite us. There has been no effort whatsoever. So don't act shocked and outraged that rejection creates hostility. Seriously. What did you expect?

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Posted by Bill W. on 08/30/2017 at 6:47 AM

Re: “Reader: How far does America need to fall?

Another hate opinion piece. Does it help to call people you don't agree with names? Dave

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Posted by William David Beadles on 08/30/2017 at 3:46 AM

Re: “Reader: How far does America need to fall?

Replace Integrity? We are talking about Donald Trump? The guy with alternative facts? That Donald Trump? The dude that sticks up for Skin heads and the KKK pardoned Joe Arpaio. OK if you say so but confuses the hell out me.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 08/29/2017 at 9:46 PM

Re: “Reader: How far does America need to fall?

Jimmy the only thing embarrassing this country is the conduct and behavior of the liberals and their fit throwing . After 8 years of Obama and Hillarys raping of the constitution its his turn to replace all the integraty lost by this country under them . And you liberals talk about Russia , How is Muslim countries donating 350 million dollars to Hillays PAY TO PLAY campaign not interfering with our elections .

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Posted by Thomas Benson on 08/29/2017 at 4:28 PM

Re: “Citizens Project: These are the values of the Pikes Peak region

What a gathering of angels! Nobody hates bicyclists. Nobody hates the recipients of war. And for sure nobody hates fast food, because I went to tacobell on Colorado and there is NO SIDEWALK access! Nobody hates pollution, because they can't see the poison! Nobody hates war, again invisible, like the slaves that made this computer with rare elements mined in Afghan.... Oh what's the use, I do sooooooo enjoy it here in the hate void.

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Posted by sunyata_check on 08/27/2017 at 2:13 PM

Re: “Reader: You call that town hall chaotic?

Karin White:

It's the Gazette. The Gazette Editorial Board. You need to lower your expectations.

For my part, I rarely read the Gazette because I have high blood pressure. It would be detrimental to my health to open the morning paper to the editorial page.

Your first instinct was right. The Gazette operates in an alternate universe. It's called El Paso county.

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Posted by Bill W. on 08/25/2017 at 5:10 PM

Re: “Reader: You call that town hall chaotic?

\m/ (>.<) \m/

!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Dave Olsen on 08/25/2017 at 3:37 PM

Re: “Reader: Leave the costumes at home and do something constructive

What are we supposed to do with our Pussy Hats and Handmaid costumes? Guess I'll just go back to wearing my shirt that says "I'm Helping."

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Posted by Ralph Wiggum on 08/24/2017 at 11:08 AM

Re: “Reader: Leave the costumes at home and do something constructive

Was there looting, fighting, or vandalism at this event, Geraldine? No, I didn't think so. Crying and kumbayahing only get you so far when it comes to justice. The "Zorros" protected clergy in Charlottesville. And the "Zorros" are fighting to protect the rights of even you, Geraldine, who are so vocal with your disdain. Would you put your body in front of a total stranger to keep them from harm? I'm guessing not.

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Posted by hai there on 08/24/2017 at 11:03 AM

Re: “Reader: Leave the costumes at home and do something constructive

Looks like someone is all hopped up on the sheetcake. Moderation is best Sharalene.

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Posted by Zorro on 08/23/2017 at 8:56 PM

Re: “Reader: Leave the costumes at home and do something constructive

Amen, Geraldine Russell. You hit this nail right on the head.

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Posted by yellowdogdem on 08/23/2017 at 11:24 AM

Re: “Reader: Citizens should question bike race expenses

Nope, paid for by the event.

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Posted by Holmes on 08/22/2017 at 10:31 PM

Re: “Hey Trump: Police brutality is no “joke”

Im completely distrustful of anyone in a uniform, any kind of law enforcement person, said Emily Lagesse..."

So you are prejudging people based on their appearance? Sure, there are some bad ones out there. But then again, there are a few bad black people out there. Shall we use your logic and say we are "distrustful of anyone who is black, any kind of black person?" Surely we shouldn't as that would be racist. But likewise, to brand all law enforcement as bad because of a small number of them who are bad, and garner the most attention from the media, is just as bad.

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Posted by Mike Randall on 08/22/2017 at 12:22 PM

Re: “Reader: Mr. May, weed is leading to homicide like the Earth is flat

Love this, Autumn, my thoughts exactly! The other politician who is extremely irrational on marijuana is Mr. May's buddy, County Commissioner Mark Waller. He's still fighting the war on drugs like nothing has changed. We have got to get rid of these folks so we can get some more enlightened marijuana policy.....

Posted by prairie chix on 08/22/2017 at 11:23 AM

Re: “Polling convinces city leaders to decide now, not later, on stormwater issue

It is decades past due for taking a responsible approach for our stormwater issues. We cannot continue to wait for the perfect solution. Yes I agree the fee structure as stated in this proposal is not equitable and as a member of Council - Mr. Murray, - I would urge you and your fellow council persons to work to find solutions that include requiring developers to pay their fair share - and that includes in areas of new construction in old established neighborhoods. In OCC I have lived in this house almost 40 years and never had groundwater seep into my garage - but since a new monster home was placed on top of an unstable hill behind me the alley was a river and I had water on the floor of my old stone garage in one of the severe storms of about a week ago. This problem is not going away and we need to start sooner not later as we already were making progress when this community pulled the plug on the previous Stormwater Enterprise.

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Posted by rms on 08/21/2017 at 3:50 PM

Re: “Polling convinces city leaders to decide now, not later, on stormwater issue

wpm:

"You do realize these systems must be maintained like our streets! Don't vote for this blank check!"

You are long on criticism but short on solutions. Going "back to the drawing board" is not a solution. It's an empty and cynical attempt kick the can down the road.

If you have a better solution, tell us what it is. If you're only interested in discrediting those who have proposed a solution, you're just obstructing.

By the way...of course "these systems must be maintained." Everyone gets that. There is NO possible solution that would NOT require maintenance. To imply that there is one is disingenuous.

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Posted by Bill W. on 08/21/2017 at 3:19 PM

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