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Re: “Reader: Give it to the rich, who cares?

kennedy folllowed Keynes. t here was no trickle down crap invovled
like with Reagan or trump, who cause deficits to soar

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Posted by apathetic on 01/03/2018 at 3:58 AM

Re: “Reader: Give it to the rich, who cares?

Truth hurts dont it Mikey

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 01/02/2018 at 3:14 PM

Re: “Reader: Give it to the rich, who cares?

Uh oh you really triggered the libtards with this one!

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:59 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

A NEW YEAR'S REMINDER from the Indy moderator: We generally view the Indy's comments zone as a free-for-all, but we reserve the right to maintain a reasonable level of respect among commenters.

When you established your Indy online account, you agreed to abide by the rules listed at http://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/User…, which includes this bit...

"We expect posters to refrain from inflammatory and/or hate language, which will be grounds for deletion. Please be considerate and stay on-topic, particularly in comments. Personal attacks will not be tolerated."

Please, lets start 2018 with civility in mind.

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Posted by Mary Jo Meade on 01/02/2018 at 12:56 PM

Re: “Reader: Gender-cleansing our political landscape is essential

"Gender cleansing" what a loving liberal term. Remember everyone love trumps hate! (LOL)

Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:43 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

I didnt say CNN should be shut down by the government you moron Bill W. The people will decide it is fake news. CNN is going broke and eventually will go the way of the dodo bird.

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:40 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

Bill W. Dont get too sanctimonius about the first amendment when you dont even believe in the second. The first amendment doesnt protect SLANDER (like the russia pissgate dossier) or LIES. CNN is propaganda fake news headquarters but your head is so far up your own ass you cant see that.

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 01/02/2018 at 12:28 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

UCanSeeClearlyNow is kind of correct. However, this is nothing new, as Dave H points out.

The fact that many idealistic reporters and journalists had a hard time accepting is that their job isn't so much about telling the truth or even telling their story in a fair and balanced manner. Their job is about selling, be it selling papers or selling air time. Their job is to get viewers, listeners, and readers. To bring people in. Because without viewership, they get no advertising, and that is where they make their money -- how much they can charge for advertising.

And the fact is that fair, truthful, balanced stories rarely sell very well. Sensational stories sell, and biased, less than 100% factual stories sell. And yes, biased news is fake news IMHO a well, especially when it is deliberately biased.

Trying to explain this to many reporters and journalists will not garner you any friends as many of them refuse to come to grips with the truth. Many will flat out deny it, refusing to face the facts. Their job is to sell advertising space.

While the First Amendment is extremely important, the fact is that the media has long abused their power. No right is unlimited. No right is without restrictions. No action is without consequences. Yet the media tries to demand exactly that, to the point that it is nearly impossible to hold them accountable for their actions when they lie, omit, spin, twist, etc. even if they destroy people's lives in the process. The media gets away with it time and time again. It is long past time that they be exposed for their bias, lies, omissions, and sensationalism, and be held accountable, even legally accountable, when they knowingly distort the truth.

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Posted by Dvalin on 01/01/2018 at 10:49 PM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Dr. Platten: I would not want Paul Ryan to read your article. The stats your quote are impressive and I was personally unaware of the good deeds that many churches are doing for the good of the community regarding drug abuse, veterans issues, and HIV/AIDS.
Congressman Ryan would take your article and wave it around the House of Representatives saying We dont need a social safety net for the American people! Lets dismantle it and let the churches take over. Since the churches are doing so much already they can take over and we can dispense with SNAP, WIC, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, disability issues, and providing any other forms of assistance. We are saved! Ann Ryn was right! We dont need government.

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Posted by Gary Casimir on 01/01/2018 at 5:09 PM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Bill: Re: #4. The dark money is already here. The Koch Bros. gave Focus on the Family $2.3M for their political arm. So, the current assumption is that Focus on the Family is a shill for the Koch Bros. and their unproven morally bankrupt economic and political philosophy. Focus on the Family can be discounted as a organization of religious faith.

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Posted by Gary Casimir on 01/01/2018 at 4:48 PM

Re: “Ten of Trump’s insane tweets

That photo of the Oval Office was when President Obama was in office: his ever present bowl of apples!

Posted by Nancy Masterson Reinking on 01/01/2018 at 10:16 AM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Dr. Platten:

1. "The funding for most churches comes from donations, which are tax-deductible. "

The new Trump tax bill will severely limit the number of taxpayers who can deduct their charitable donations. The impact on charities, all of them, will be substantial. The new tax policy will affect the bottom line for churches of all sizes. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/busines…

2. "Assuming many average-sized churches would close if they were taxed, what would society really lose? "

See above. Substantial losses for both churches and society are already baked into the new tax cuts.

3. "The Republican tax bill initially aimed to repeal the so-called Johnson Amendment, which says nonprofits that dont pay taxes like churches cant electioneer. "

Red herring. The Johnson Amendment is rarely (and possibly never) enforced. A quick search revealed no churches losing their tax exempt status for violating the Johnson Amendment. This is not because there's no violations. It's because the IRS is reluctant to wade into the legal swamp.

4. The real issue with repealing the Johnson Amendment is that churches would (and nearly certainly would) become a magnet for dark money. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/201…

5. Far from muzzling speech, the Johnson Amendment only requires churches that lobby in political campaigns to follow the same rules as all other lobbyists. If political lobbying is the goal of a church, it can surrender its tax exempt status and register as a lobbying entity. If spiritual and charitable work is the goal of a church, it can retain its tax exempt status. It's a difficult decision, but one available to any politically active church.

6. "The ministers million-dollar income will be an expense..."

Religion has always had its share of charlatans and snake oil salesmen. Rationalizing their behavior will not advance either religious or social causes.

In my view, churches can (and do) accomplish a great deal of spiritual and good without getting into politics. But if they are determined influence elections, they should be treated like every other group doing so.

I respectfully disagree with your position.

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Posted by Bill W. on 01/01/2018 at 7:17 AM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Churches and all non profits should be taxed.

Dave :-)

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Posted by William David Beadles on 12/31/2017 at 10:24 PM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

If churches want to get into politics they, like many other not for profit organizations, should loose their tax free status. The constitution talks about a clear division of church and state and so in my mind churches who stray into the political arena have crossed a line.

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Posted by Albe Johnson on 12/31/2017 at 5:19 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

Sorry folks, but the media's revenue model relies heavily on click bait, meaning that absurd headlines and articles that pander to the zealots/haters are valued more than thoughtful and objective pieces that consider all the known facts of a story. Facts are boring. Opinion, spin, and inflammatory narrative are what's important if the media wants to survive.

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Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 12/31/2017 at 1:21 PM

Re: “Reader: Give it to the rich, who cares?

This is going to be the new norm. Mid terms are coming. The Democrats rammed health care through when they had the chance after years of trying to get it done under Bush.An unpopular President and a do nothing Congress playing to there base at the last second. Now the Republicans are doing the exact same thing after cussing and raising cane for years over the Democrats doing it. Trump admitted what was done when he spoke in front of all his Mar Largo buddies.Now hes trying to talk up the Democrats because here we go again, The big difference is Obamacare could be fixed, expanded, changed and benefited all of us and the Republicans had every opportunity to do just that . This is permanent and with out a doubt benefits the top few. Im afraid were screwed.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 12/30/2017 at 9:04 PM

Re: “Why real news is so important

Regarding fake news: There is misinformation and there is disinformation. The major difference is the degree of intent to deceive, with disinformation being very deliberate. IOW, disinformation is definitely fake news, whereas misinformation may be an honest mistake. Either one may involve incorrect or false information, omissions, or incomplete information. This is hardly a new phenomenon -- it goes back as far as journalism itself. A person would have to be pretty ignorant to have never heard of media baron William Randolph Hearst who made a fortune by using and misusing those tactics.

A bias indicates an intent to present information in a certain way to tell one side of the story. Therefore biased news is a type of disinformation, or fake news.

The goal of every reporter or journalist should be to present information in the most accurate, least biased way possible. And while many do just that, there are plenty who do not. The latter can be hard to spot and for years people have been reluctant to call these people out because the guilty parties will hide behind the 1st Amendment. And that in turn makes it harder to trust the good reporters and journalists.

The rise of social media has made it easier to air these grievances and a lot of reporters and journalists have found themselves getting called out for their biases and mistakes where they did not in the past. That is a good thing because it is now easier to keep biased news in check. And now politicians are starting to use this tool to their advantage as well. This is making things uncomfortable for reporters and journalists -- they weren't ready for that or to be held accountable.

So, what we should be teaching reporters and journalists isn't to get angry about getting called out for mistakes and bias, but rather to do a better job of presenting information accurately and without bias and to welcome the criticism.

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Posted by Dave H on 12/30/2017 at 8:33 PM

Re: “One woman’s exploration into the Springs’ homeless problem

Issue with recovery Homes, is rules must be enforced. If not, no respect will be given. I 've been in Repentance since 2007. Seen it all. Selah.

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Posted by Michael Sandoval on 12/30/2017 at 5:04 PM

Re: “Visiting Hanging Lake? You may need to plan ahead.

Having lived in Colorado Springs a significant span of my life, I have seen firsthand the growing problems of overuse of many areas, including Garden of the Gods. From bumper to bumper parking and drive through, to too many people with no climbing experience doing dangerous moves on the rocks to the excessive litter that always comes with too many people. I remember the days of only dirt roads and a park that felt relaxed and spacious - those days are gone - sadly.

I get it though, needing to get away from metro life and experiencing nature. But are we - when were experiencing nature with so many people around? Even if it meant limited access for me (I used to run the park four days a week last time I lived there), I would support limited access or access by annual lottery style draws with each month limiting the number of people allowed to access the park(s) on a daily basis. I also believe that Colorado residents should be granted first access before other states or countries.

Its understood the parks need to generate income, but I believe its time to meet budget and forgo excess if possible. These parks need to be preserved for future generations to come. Limiting access and banning some people permanently for being destructive or trashing the parks (or strong fines) is a much needed practice for all our parks - city, state and national.

Everyone deserves to experience the wonders of our parks - but its no fun when its overcrowded and full of the trash many leave behind. I, for one, Love our parks. I dont look forward to being in them anymore the way I used to. I generally drive to more obscure locations not yet discovered by the masses.

I support establishing whatever measures help preserve our parks for the future, even if it means less availability for me or others like me. Im sure the support needed for considering new parks access measures will be there when the time comes to implement them.

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Posted by Winfried on 12/30/2017 at 9:20 AM

Re: “A case for why churches shouldn’t be taxed

Whatever, I have a modest sized household income and I still pay taxes. I say NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION!

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Posted by Random Citizen on 12/29/2017 at 6:31 PM

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