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Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

How come in this story they are all carrying "semi-automatic rifles" and in every other story targeting the pro-gun lobby, the NRA, republicans or ANY other group they would have been labeled "assault weapons"

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Posted by Jamie Craig on 09/29/2017 at 2:11 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

A lot of fascist enablers in the comments here, taking various forms:

* Fascists in cover, using false equivalencies to forward a narrative that both sides are just as bad (yeah, wanting to gas jews is just as bad as not wanting to?), in order to keep liberals from going left and opposing them, when they're acutely aware liberals will never explicitly join them, even though liberals have a history of supporting fascists in the end, as they did in the Weimar Republic

* Pacifist concern trolls who would rather let the fascists kill people in silence rather than hear those people fight back, because their personal comfort is more important than the ability of other people to live, since they know the people they claim to abhor so much don't have them in their sights

* Denialist concern trolls begging the question of how fascism and white supremacy are defined. I'll lay these out for you:
- Fascism: corporate and government elite in collusion to maintain a strict hierarchy, modified by extreme "futurist" mentality and obsession with systemic efficiency, fueled by a complete rejection of egalitarianism
- White supremacy: the belief that whites are both somehow physiologically superior and must own and control everything on the planet, at the expense of (and often by the killing of) other ethnic groups

* Outright reactionaries who are incapable of introspective thought, taking criticism as signs they are "doing something right" which is a manifestation of an antisocial (in the clinical sense) worldview, who want to act with complete impunity, even - or especially - if it means the destruction of others or their works, because they get off to the idea of screwing someone else over, like sociopaths

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Posted by Dissident Rage on 09/29/2017 at 1:50 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

Lost me at 'the police are there to keep protesters safe' but then again, I am a St Louisan.

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Posted by Nestor Kropotkin on 09/29/2017 at 10:23 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

Also the problem for them is that they never received any tactical training besides shooting cans of organic oatmeal beer.
The people they claim to revolutionize against have grown up up with firearms, shooting and hunting. It'll be a very one sided fight

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Posted by Frederic Baker on 09/29/2017 at 7:46 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

To say that 3% groups defend Nazis is pretty indicative of a biased slant. A lot of the oathkeeper and 3% groups actually are pretty anti-nazi and defended colored protesters against Nazis in Charlottesville.

And when you consider that this is their second time training and most three percenter groups have hundreds if not thousands of hours underneath their belt, well, just saying.

Anyone anytime in American decides to understand firearms and defend themselves as a good thing in my eye. But to be so intensely divisive is just feeding into the hegelian dialectic of the ruling class.

Their divide and conquer is working all too well.

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Posted by Joel Aigner on 09/29/2017 at 6:54 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

First of all it's $250 Kel Tec Sub2000 Gen1 he is so ostentatiously holding in his paws. Quite laughably to begin with... Not mentioning the airsoft scope that redhead has on her AR.
The heroic language this article is written in is worrying. Now these leftists are actually pushing for armed, poorly equipped and poorly trained groups to mingle with crowds against whoever they disagree with.
A recipe for disaster

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Posted by Frederic Baker on 09/29/2017 at 6:30 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

First of all what is a white supremacist? NO ONE TO DATE has defined it. Its a term the left has "coined" and it is thrown around willy nilly. Second, they practice in a basement? I hope they have hearing and eye protection and some way to get rid of the lead from the shells. What about richochets? Misfires? Third, Why did Lamborn lock her out of his office? Being obnoxious or what? These groups while having the empowerment that comes from "being prepared in case of civil unrest" do no good for themselves. I highly approve of the female getting trained but she should make sure she trains her kids on what to do if ever attacked. thanks for the article and if this group wants to organize, I say GOD BLESS THEM!

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Posted by HSabin on 09/28/2017 at 6:50 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

A basic principle of consciousness is that you can't solve a problem with the same mentality that created it. Fighting violence with violence simply creates more violence. The reason for this is the ego's tendency to escalate when it feels threatened, which results in a spiral of increasing escalation. People will die if this course of action is taken, and we have to ask ourselves if killing fellow Americans for our cause is better than if necessary, dying for it. Literally, you cannot promote equality with a gun, the ultimate symbol of inequality, where the ego behind the gun has decided it needs to be the overdog and the person in front of the gun, the underdog.

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Posted by Eric Novikoff on 09/28/2017 at 5:00 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

Am I seeing a trend here. There are no likes on anyone's comments. Does everyone that reads the Independent just dislike everything and maybe this is the source of divisiveness in our community?

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Posted by Norrin Radd on 09/28/2017 at 4:45 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

Those magazines don't look legal in Colorado. I think El Paso County Sheriff should pay them a visit.

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Posted by schotts on 09/28/2017 at 3:55 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

Dear Nat,

Socialists + violence = Communist Revolutionaries (Bolsheviks)

What part about that don't you understand? These people are not alt-left or whatever term the left invents to hide what their goal really is. THEY ARE COMMUNISTS. They want a violent revolution. Look! they even wear the red Che bandanas.

History repeats. You are living through an incredible point in world history. So maybe go study 1920's Russian history and then re-write your story to present facts instead of propaganda. Then we can take what you write seriously.

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Posted by Can O'Korn on 09/28/2017 at 12:35 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

HEY ... LOOK ... it's Kenny from South Park!!!

"If they look scary"??? No ... they look like a joke, a bad one at that.

Being a veteran doesn't automatically make you a warrior. An Air Force supply clerk at a shed in Iraq doesn't automatically qualify you to lead a bunch of misguided civilians into armed combat. Being able to shoot a gun (that scares you when it goes "POP") doesn't automatically qualify you to function in an actual fire fight (gunfire, that is).

These are people who need a safe space when someone uses a word that hurts their feelings. They're not equipped to survive the PTSD after the "targets" are shooting back at them. I'm sure that they all slap each other on the back (after asking permission, of course) about how they're bad-ass killers now, but I'd be willing to bet none of them has a clue about how dark the place is that they want to go, or about how dark those that have actually been there can be.

The most telling aspect of their clownery is the bandanas ... are you effin' kidding me? You've got the stones to walk around armed with a weapon, and want people to believe that you're ready and willing to use it, but you don't have the nads to show your face???

I really hope ... for their sake ... that they never get what they're bargaining for.

I give Mr. Hair Product no more that 5 minutes against a skilled adversary ... he better fight only at night, because the shadow thrown by those ears would be a sniper's delight.

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Posted by RW Burns on 09/28/2017 at 12:09 PM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

There are racists in this town.
The people who went for a photo shoot with their guns are not going to stop a person if they are wanting to run people over. ANTIFA found ONE flyer downtown and has stopped one 'nazi' in a park. There is racism but it can't be fought with guns by a few people who think they are the white black panthers.

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Posted by TruB on 09/28/2017 at 9:46 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

Things became divisive when Bush Jr. took office and the leftist media went on a war of Us vs Them. This my team vs your team crap has spiraled since. If you don't like the hate, then stop hating. I refuse to play this game of being divided by our elected and the media. I ask you to refuse to subject yourself to it as well.

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Posted by TheDudeAbides on 09/28/2017 at 8:11 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

I agree with the comment that folks don't appreciate that fascists are here in our beautiful city. This article identifies four of them as evidence.

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Posted by TheDudeAbides on 09/28/2017 at 8:08 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

"when Democrats held a supermajority in Congress during former President Barack Obama's first term"

The question they need to ask themselves is how this ended and why?

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Posted by alesia on 09/28/2017 at 7:55 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

The left already has their violent militia - the KKK. That worked out well for them, didn't it?

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Posted by intheaspens on 09/28/2017 at 7:55 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

As a real redneck out in the sticks, you folks have no clue how the CW2 could evolve and wreck your little lives in the urban beehives. Your supply chain of life is a joke, as is your preferred artificial man-god created habitat.
We, out here, are tired of being labeled varied names, so much so that we are now accepting your designations with resigned pride and will start to act accordingly with gusto. [The misapplied names such as fascist for example are similar to the dousing a fire with accelerants and you folks thusly being surprised with the results. Public schools much?]
Too much dancing at some point is tiring.......... lets get after it and giterdone.

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Posted by milliron on 09/28/2017 at 7:54 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

The unfortunate reality that most of these commenters seem to be missing is that Nazis and white supremacists are in our town, they are increasingly emboldened, and they are armed. Our elected officials are doing nothing. Do we wait until someone drives a car into a crowd to acknowledge reality, or do we peacefully allow them to take over our town? These are our options, folks, like it or not. This is where we are.

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Posted by Candi Frank on 09/28/2017 at 7:11 AM

Re: “The left's answer to emboldened white supremacists? A militia of their own.

Are we going to fight over whose flavor of Koolaide tastes better?

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Posted by TheDudeAbides on 09/28/2017 at 5:19 AM

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