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Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 09/10/2017 at 9:10 AM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

Paul, is there any evidence that could convince you that white privelege doesnt exist?
Privilege comes from socioeconomic factors, not racial makeup.

The concept of white privilege assumes that all white people grow up under the same circumstances, in the same way it assumes that black people do as well. If you grow up with a white single mother in a housing project in Holyoke, youre not going to have access to the same type of guidance and resources at home as a rich kid (white or black) from Longmeadow. Poor white students will never be able to qualify for minority scholarships, and thus have no privileges, while upper middle class black students have a plethora of opportunities that would not be available to them if they were white.

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 09/10/2017 at 9:09 AM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

I am native American no one knows my language, no one respects my religion or even recognizes the fact that you are all immigrants to
My country

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Posted by Shannon Simmons on 09/09/2017 at 4:18 AM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

Thanks to all for your comments.

For those who do not believe that white privilege exists, is there any evidence that would cause you to change your minds?

For example, if I found out that criminal sentencing outcomes were the same for all races, I would change my mind about the existence of white privilege.

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Posted by Paul Yingling on 09/06/2017 at 8:09 PM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

I see that many have already ridiculed this horrible column. I am so sick and tired of liberal arts grads pulling out a crying towel. One ticket is a meaningless statistic. Absurd. Oh, I have had plenty of tickets and fines and no salutes. One data point is absurd. My five kids went to public schools and have learned that they get no advantage from being white... I was visiting one son at college and a friend of his walked in..blonde haired.... just enough Indian tribe in him for free tuition. My kids didn't get any of these culture give-aways. Now that kid had been given a priv. I have met several white men in the last year full of WP. In every case, they were fortunate to have luck in their lives thousands of others never had. If you went to all private schools and were given a job, and nobody I know got that, then maybe you should feel guilty. Maybe you should pay back in service and not cry in the towel.

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Posted by TominColorado on 09/06/2017 at 4:51 PM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

William Snell's dumbass comment supports this letter's existence in the first place!

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Posted by Judith Posch on 09/06/2017 at 4:33 PM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

TruB - Are you on drugs? Yes, please people - search my name. You're not going to see any support for white nationalism, and in fact will see the opposite. You are lying.

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Posted by William Snell on 09/06/2017 at 3:04 PM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

If anyone cares to search William Snell he believes in white nationalism and spends a great deal of time gas lighting that the left is oppressing him. I find that when conservatives go big in a rant it is because no one has the time to dispute every last incorrect item in that rant.

William - you don't notice your privilege because you don't want to admit that your Irish ancestors just walked off a boat. Thinking that the cops following you around is anything like being pulled over because of the color of your skin is showing your privileged. The hours you spend on breitbart (which also leaves a trail) talking about how the right isn't violent proves my assumption. You seem to believe there is something called a 'black privileged card' which is why you believe you are being oppressed.

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Posted by TruB on 09/06/2017 at 1:57 PM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

I'm white Irish, and yet I'm seemingly unaffected by this "white privilege" I'm told about. In my 20's cops would frequently tail my car, as they did with many young drivers, and that was annoying. Now I'm older and married and drive a min-van, so this doesn't happen anymore, but I do face other issues. I'm a little under average height and am stocky with muscle. Something about my look guarantees that I'll be selected for "random extra screening" at every stop at every airport I fly through. Happens every time, and I'm a jeans and t-shirt kind of a guy.

I want to address your two "dog whistles". First, about white people being an oppressed minority or some such. White people are not a minority in Western countries, so that's out right away. It's very hard to argue with the fact that blatant and hostile racism against white people is considered completely acceptable on most media, as well as YouTube, which will yank a video that even obliquely criticizes a minority group. It's common to see outright calls for violence against white people, without the slightest pushback from anyone on the left.

It's also difficult to see how you could contest that points in the Oppression Olympics are prized by leftists. This is a demonstrable fact. You know how I know I'm dealing with a leftist? Their bio is filled with information about their race, sexual orientation, gender status, preferred pronouns, etc. Conservatives don't do this. When listening to ANY leftist speak, the most common phrase is something like, "As a woman of color..."

But I also really want to address your idiocy about white people not being denied a voice in discussions about social justice. This is also a demonstrable fact. It's common for white people to be told they can't speak on issues because they're white. It isn't even difficult to find hours of videos showing exactly this kind of behavior on the left. Your contention that historical politicians were white is so stupid I hardly know where to begin. I'm assuming you're not really this stupid, and understand exactly how flawed your point was. What a President's skin color 100 years ago means absolutely nothing in a discussion about current social justice issues. Or more to the point, the abandonment of personal responsibility for group responsibility the left has embraced.

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Posted by William Snell on 09/06/2017 at 9:19 AM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren


"Being born in a country does not, by itself, suffice to make the birth country an individuals country of origin for purposes of being included within a designated group."

It's a rebuttable presumption, not a guarantee, to those in these groups.

Are you saying 13 CFR 124.103 is "subversive to White privilege?" I haven't seen a lot of white entrepreneurs pushed out of government contracts by citizens of the Tonga Islands. Did I miss something?

As for the $740K in assets, I think that's probably a reasonable minimum for a government contract. It's not good policy to enter into contracts with someone who has $50 in the bank.

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Posted by Bill W. on 09/06/2017 at 6:21 AM

Re: “My white privilege, my brown grandchildren

This section of a US Federal Regulation seems to be subversive to White privilege?This is a section of the Federal regulations listing people who, by virtue of racial groupings get a step up for government contracting purposes.The next section, 104, will say these preferred people can have assets of 740,000 dollars and still be considered disadvantaged.

740K is a lot of disadvantage.

From the Code of Federal Regulations.
13 CFR 124.103 Who is socially disadvantaged?
(a) General. Socially disadvantaged individuals are those who have been subjected to racial or ethnic prejudice or cultural bias within American society because of their identities as members of groups and without regard to their individual qualities. The social disadvantage must stem from circumstances beyond their control.
(b) Members of designated groups. (1) There is a rebuttable presumption that the following individuals are socially disadvantaged: Black Americans; Hispanic Americans; Native Americans (Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, or enrolled members of a Federally or State recognized Indian Tribe); Asian Pacific Americans (persons with
origins from Burma, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, Brunei,
Japan, China (including Hong Kong), Taiwan, Laos, Cambodia (Kampuchea),
Vietnam, Korea, The Philippines, U.S. Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (Republic of Palau), Republic of the Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, Guam, Samoa, Macao, Fiji, Tonga, Kiribati, Tuvalu, or Nauru); Subcontinent Asian Americans (persons with origins from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, the Maldives Islands or Nepal); and
members of other groups designated from time to time by SBA according to procedures set forth at paragraph (d) of this section. Being born in a country does not, by itself, suffice to make the birth country an individuals country of origin for purposes of being included within a designated group.

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Posted by Gray Liddell on 09/06/2017 at 5:39 AM

Re: “Tribute to Russel: rival, friend

I could name many cases where Russell did not seek justice, but then again I was not his drinking buddy

Posted by apathetic on 05/26/2017 at 10:00 AM

Re: “FoodMaven could do more harm than good in the fight against food waste

Worth noting Food Maven does not/will not/cannot sell direct to the public. They supply restaurants, who are facing increases in food costs without ability to raise prices do to market thresholds, schools, institutional food service, and other places that food costs at a large scale is an issue.

They also give a TON (or should I say tons?) of food to local food kitchens, food banks, and other nonprofits who feed those who are going hungry on a daily basis. In Southern Colorado I heard a number around 25,000 people each week don't get to eat 3 meals a day or even every day.

Food Maven is taking food from places like Safeway, King Sooper's, etc... who'd normally let the food go to waste and in some cases literally throw away perfectly good food. They are then selling it to our local restaurants at a killer price that can help them get the margins they need to stay in business.

I don't see this hurting Mike's business. I will always go to a local burger joint for my local burger, and if a model like Food Maven allows a place like say McCabe's get it's buns & fries cheaper for my burger so they can make a profit and still afford to offer a premium product like Callicrate beef well so be it.

Posted by Jon Severson on 04/12/2017 at 10:12 AM

Re: “FoodMaven could do more harm than good in the fight against food waste

For years I managed a small and local Colorado organic farm on the Western Slope. Afterwards I spent years in the corporate world working with the states largest and most influential farmers. I can say, across the board, farming is one of the hardest jobs to do. Mike Callicrate gives a dang good assessment of the Food Maven situation.

I absolutely see how Food Maven's model simply encourages super-markets to continue ordering too much food, and simply allows them to sell it for a profit to restaurants and other businesses which should otherwise be ordering from a smaller and local farm. All under the guise of environmental responsibility.

Thanks Mike for a good read and another perspective on this discussion.

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Posted by KyleJS on 04/07/2017 at 12:40 PM

Re: “FoodMaven could do more harm than good in the fight against food waste

Callicrate: "outspoken community voice ". Why "outspoken"? Sounds derogatory. And yet Callicrate's appraisal of Food Maven - a for-profit distributor of otherwise wasted produce - shows how this predatory non-profit is undermining local farmers. Yes, the consumer wants low-cost food, but at the same time, the informed consumer wants high-quality food. The govt subsidizes low-cost food, but the local farmer, unsubsidized, cannot produce high-quality food at the low cost consumers demand and are accustomed to receiving. The enemy of the local small farmer has historically been the govt, which supports Big Ag and its environmentally destructive farm practices. And now the small local farmer has a new enemy to compete with - the "socially responsible" "do gooders" like Food Maven.

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Posted by curious on 04/06/2017 at 9:18 AM

Re: “Time has come for Trump's revolution, and reflections on a Trump presidency

America has been conned by the PT Barnum of our time. Promising both sides they will get what they want is the mantra of a true huxter and many in this country fell for it hook line and sinker. Now as he pushes an agenda that endangers everything this country stands for as he sweetens the flow of cash back to the 1% he is a member of. How can anyone even think this man is honest on any level when he has spent his whole life cheating and disenfranchising thousands of people to amass his ill gotten fortune. Now to keep prying eyes from reporting the depth of his corruption he holds the press and media at arms length while pumping lies out at a rate that is staggering to anyone who still has a sense of what is ethical and good. Yeah I got the message that you don't like Hillary but to put this mentally ill bag of wind in charge of the nuclear codes is nothing short of suicide.

Posted by Albe Johnson on 02/26/2017 at 8:22 AM

Re: “The law of the land

Um the thought of local law enforcemwnt taking on this extra reaponsibility will result in lawless in the forest. Have you ever had to dial 911 lately, "your call is very important to us. Please stay on the line, your call will be answered in the order it was received." Local law enforcement does not have the budget or staffing levels to do this.

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Posted by Suzanne Howell Burkle on 02/12/2017 at 12:24 PM

Re: “The law of the land

The issue is somewhat different than explained. Generally, local control is better than federal control for issues such as parks because the citizens that use the parks are the ones that care the most. Local control is better than federal control because citizens have the ability to meet with local elected officials for any issues.

The threat of hikers being arrested by untrained forest rangers is concerning. There are many recent examples where the threat of enforcement has been used by the U.S. Forest Service against the local hiking community:

---At the public meetings for Jones Park, the U.S. Forest Service prominently displayed signs at every meeting with the penalties (jail time and fine) for hiking in the area. While the public continued to use the area, the threat of enforcement was used as an intimidation tactic. No one was arrested, but why threaten the thousands of users that summer? [even Doug Lamborn was run over by the USFS on this issue - his office did hike in protest of the ban].

---At the Bear Creek Roundtable, the U.S. Forest Service continues to push for enforcement of penalties against local hikers (proposed ordinance against off-trail hiking was recently discussed). The Historic Trail is scheduled for closure this summer, and the U.S. Forest Service maintains that local hikers will be dragged into federal court if they hike off-trail.

In the example cited at Mount Herman, I do not understand why the county sheriff would not be able to enforce a ban on shooting. The law to reimburse local agencies for the cost of enforcement seems reasonable.

Misuse of the power of enforcement is the concern. I prefer local control, supervised by an elected official, to what I have seen by the U.S. Forest Service. The criminal activity cited is: local hikers being off-trail. Not much of a crime except to the federal government. Why not leave this to the discretion of the local sheriff?

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Posted by MChaussee on 02/11/2017 at 11:22 AM

Re: “Game over

So many great memories and lifetime friends were made was just talking about the bar to my sister in law and we both were there but didn't know each other at that time. v Thank you very well written article

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Posted by Anthony Gonzales on 02/10/2017 at 12:07 AM

Re: “Bigots, racists and Dominionist Christians rejoice in Trump presidency

Amount of debt... Hmmm rich, wealthy, heaven... Such foolishness, I was hoping that dominionist christian would be defined in this article, what a blowhard.

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Posted by k okaymistet on 02/07/2017 at 4:40 PM

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