courtney the brave 
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Re: “Smoking: Whose choice is it?

Ethan- don't you dare call me arrogant. I made the comment that I am a medical student to explain my relative expertise on the matter of smoking related illness. You have no idea who I am or whether or not I am arrogant and the comment you made was unwarranted. Stick to relevant issues if you want to be taken seriously.

Posted by courtney the brave on 06/07/2009 at 7:34 PM

Re: “Smoking: Whose choice is it?

As to your question about me giving up rights. If the government can show that it is for the benefit of the majority and that it does not put the minority at risk I am willing to give up many "rights". It really depends on what you are talking about. Living in a society means not just thinking about yourself, it means considering those around you and the impact of your life choices on them. I live my life by that mantra and it influences every choice that I make.

Posted by courtney the brave on 05/30/2009 at 7:19 PM

Re: “Smoking: Whose choice is it?

I actually don't have any thing in a twist; and an existential conversation is not what this is. This is a civics discussion. I really understand where you all are coming from and I agree with you on a lot of points. I am for smart government involvement not no government involvement. If you want to have people smoke in your establishment then there need to be regulations on that; the reason for that is that smoke does not just harm people in the area that it is in. It spreads and it has been shown that it can move through adjoining buildings if the ventilation is not properly set up. So while I can see your point about this being a freedom of business issue, I also hope that you can see from my point of view that there are many more facets to this issue than just that. Public health is something that you don't realize is being neglected til its too late. Is it really such a hassle to go outside to light up?

By the way- I am just trying to broaden people's minds, and I really think that jumping to hyperbole is counter- productive.

Posted by courtney the brave on 05/30/2009 at 7:15 PM

Re: “Smoking: Whose choice is it?

I didn't miss the point by the way. I just disagree that the point is freedom of business. It is public health and safety. Think back to drunk driving....

Posted by courtney the brave on 05/29/2009 at 1:15 PM

Re: “Smoking: Whose choice is it?

Bex- This is not a freedom of business issue, it is about the health of people. I don't object to smoking because it stinks, I think that is actually not that bad of a smell, I object because it causes disease. It is my right to have the government protect me from potentially hazardous health risks. Like I stated before you don't object to mandatory quarantine of TB patients; this is the same concept. If a public place wanted to allow measles patients to congregate there then would you think that it was ok for the government to say 'no'?

Posted by courtney the brave on 05/29/2009 at 1:13 PM

Re: “Smoking: Whose choice is it?

Oh and Little Birdie. Yes I am going to die, but I would like to do what I can to make the time I have worthwhile. I choose not to smoke and that has been a good choice so far. When I die without a trach tube and with both of my lungs intact I will be grateful. So you go kill yourself but spare me the nihlistic crap. If that is your view then why not go jump off of Pikes Peak? It would mean one less idiot trying to kill me.

Posted by courtney the brave on 05/29/2009 at 9:48 AM

Re: “Smoking: Whose choice is it?

I have to disagree with the argument that the government is encroaching on the civil liberties of businesses and smokers in general. The role of the government is to protect the safety of the masses and by regulating smoking the government is doing its job. Second hand smoke causes NUMEROUS health problems and as a medical student I have SCIENTIFIC proof of that. The CDC is there to protect the masses from health hazards and you don't hear people trying to come down on them for mandating quarantine for people with TB do you?

If you want to kill yourself by smoking I have absolutely no objection to that, it is your right and I will do nothing to obstruct you. What I will do is ask you to refrain from endangering me and the people around me (including children who have no choice in the matter). If it takes the government mandating that you not smoke in public then so be it. I am sorry that you have to go stand out in the cold, but it is your choice to smoke and if you don't like the consequences then don't smoke.

If buying cigarettes and smoking them was mandatory then I would buy your arguments, but it is not! You choose to do something unhealthy and therefore you should be the only person affected by it. Don't say that it is unconstitutional that the government protects me from you disgusting and deadly habit.

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Posted by courtney the brave on 05/29/2009 at 9:44 AM

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