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Re: “UPDATE: Here we go again ... AFA and religion

If you seriously are arguing that this problem should not be addressed at all because "a bias and some coercion is unavoidable" and right now the coercion is being applied to promote the bias you prefer, then you are not fit to be a military officer.

Posted by crowepps on 11/03/2011 at 3:13 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Here we go again ... AFA and religion

Since this part of your comment seems to be addressed to me, I will answer only this. As with an invitation to come over for dinner, a request for a date, asking someone to join you for coffee, a Cadet can invite a particular classmate to a religious gathering twice, and if told no both times, should stop. I see no problem with that Cadet posting a notice on the barracks bulletin board that events are happening to extend a general invitation to anyone interested, but it is rude, RUDE, to pester someone repeatedly to participate in something when they aren't interested. Cadets who repeatedly ask for dates when that is unwelcome can be disciplined, and cadets who repeatedly ask others to join them in activities when their asking is unwelcome can be disciplined. Making an exception for religion and allowing that to be the ONE activity where cadets can harass people without consequences, where somebody can relentlessly insist on being the center of attention and taking up everyone else's time because they are "sharing their faith", is going to end with a widespread disgust for evangelizing and eventually a negative impact on religious expression generally, an outcome which seems to already be manifesting itself. I realize that the cadets in question are young, and may have come from homes 'in the Born Again Bubble' where this public religiosity is the custom and discriminating against those of other faiths is an acceptable practice, but if they're going to be officers in the military they need to be able to operate in the wider world. Gen. Schwartz' orders are clear; people can either follow them or resign in protest. In the military the option of remaining in uniform while disobeying orders is a triad that also includes the brig.

Posted by crowepps on 11/02/2011 at 2:53 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Here we go again ... AFA and religion

WildcatPW, a uniformed cadet at the United States Air Force Academy may indeed be violating the first amendment by asking her classmate to attend a seminar if she had previously extended such an invitation and was told, no, thank you, that's not something in which I would be interested. Her belief that she has a right to proselytize her fellow cadet is not superior to the classmate's right to maintain their own religion and ask to be left alone, and harassing her classmate with repeated invitations leads to resentment and is therefore bad for order and discipline.

In addition, it is my understanding that some of these invitations are made during duty time from uniformed senior cadets and Academy staff to uniformed junior cadets, as are suggestions that 'before we get to this let's all join in a short prayer', and that junior cadets are confused about whether they are being invited or ordered, and worried about whether refusing to participate will impact their Academy career. Obviously, that is not just a violation of civil rights but also an abuse of power with negative impacts on military fitness of all concerned.

Posted by crowepps on 11/02/2011 at 1:46 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Here we go again ... AFA and religion

Ender's first comment is very interesting, particularly "the way USAFA manages the campus’ religious climate." Weinstein's whole POINT is that it is unconstitutional for the USAFA to have a 'religious climate' and certainly for the staff to attempt to 'manage' same. The USAFA is supposed to allow the cadets to have or not have faith as they individually choose without interferring except to require staff and cadets to respect each other's beliefs.

Posted by crowepps on 10/27/2011 at 5:33 PM

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