Pat Holden 
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Re: “A gas for liberty

"as a group of migrants near the San Ysidro border crossing stormed a fence"

This should be as far as we have to read, really. To be honest I'm surprised even this much got mentioned, but somehow it's okay to ignore it and pretend the story still belongs in the anti-Trump hysteria list.

You mean to say that a group of undocumented migrants tried to forcefully push their way through the border and Border Patrol used a non-lethal method of getting the mob to disperse? You even say yourself that the unaffiliated women and children were affected by the gas being carried downwind, meaning that it was an unintended consequence - even assuming the oft-mentioned photos weren't staged, about which there seems to be some speculation.

Yes, how very horrible of Trump to have that wind blowing in their direction. More than that, perhaps, how horrible that he didn't just let the group storm through the fences like they wanted. Or maybe they should've just been shot outright? Surely the women and children downwind wouldn't have been caught up in the situation then. You certainly don't seem interested in bringing forward any alternatives to deal with the people *storming the border* - just calling lots of people horrible for being concerned about it. Feel good about yourself yet?

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Posted by Pat Holden on 12/04/2018 at 6:58 PM

Re: “Kavanaugh said ‘what goes around comes around.’ The midterms could prove him right.

How courteous of Mr. Foster to demonstrate the progressive way of thinking: if someone doesn't agree with you, don't bother discovering their reasons or anything. Just insult them. They probably deserve to be disparaged and dismissed anyway.

Posted by Pat Holden on 10/19/2018 at 8:01 PM

Re: “Kavanaugh said ‘what goes around comes around.’ The midterms could prove him right.

Mr. Littwin is nothing if not passionate. I'd like to thank him and the Independent for helping me decide my voting this November.

I'll be voting exclusively Republican. I don't see how anyone with reasoning beyond "Dr. Ford said it so it must be gospel" can justify otherwise.

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Posted by Pat Holden on 10/11/2018 at 9:23 PM

Re: “Brett Kavanaugh is proof that elections matter

Laughable. Quick history lesson: Do you remember who the third member of the Allies' "Big 3" was along with Roosevelt and Churchill? Stalin, one of the worst mass-murderers in history. Fighting Nazis does not make you a good guy by default. By the same extension, Communist-centered Antifa is every bit as violent as the white supremacists and every bit as poorly justified. Their purported "anti-fascist" goals in fact border on fascist in their means as they target anyone they please.

You know things are bad politically when "political violence is bad" is decried as a supporting call for racists because the left decides it didn't want its darling Antifa angels being talked down at.

Posted by Pat Holden on 09/16/2018 at 3:26 PM

Re: “Brett Kavanaugh is proof that elections matter

How hard can that be saying Nazis are bad?

Did he seriously say that? Are we still seriously bringing up Charlottesville?

Here's a reminder: Trump did say Nazis are bad. He just didn't exclusively say that Nazis are bad like the left-wing kooks wanted him to and instead denounced political violence of any origin, including the Communist-centered Antifa. Difference being the left-wing kooks prefer to defend Antifa like they're some kind of white knight so they cried foul.

Then, a day or so later, he specifically condemned the white supremacists and neo-Nazis and the other Democrat-favored buzzwords...and the Democrats creamed him for not doing it soon enough. Apparently that's what passes for criticism these days and why I pretty much ignore anyone claiming Trump is a white supremacist.

Buzz off, Obama.

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Posted by Pat Holden on 09/13/2018 at 7:17 AM

Re: “Ron Stallworth on BlacKkKlansman, Trump, and our legacy of racism

"forced, unpaid labor by those convicted of a crime also known as slavery"

I'll appreciate that I'm unfamiliar with the specific legislation involved if Ms. Kabwasa will appreciate that there's a distinct difference between people sold into forced labor with no guarantee of release and those who *break the law* and, as part of the consequences for such, are made to contribute back to society through work with specific terms for their eventual freedom depending on the severity of their crime.

It seems downright dishonest to try to equate the two and it's shameful that the Indy lets this through. The other claims of alleged racism are nearly as bad.

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Posted by Pat Holden on 06/21/2018 at 10:01 PM

Re: “Law enforcement embraces Trump’s dangerous “both sides” narrative

"Who cares about a little property destruction? It's just capitalist property anyway and it's totally not as bad as the bad things those bad people over there are doing. Since it's not as bad the innocent darlings from inauguration day are just being oppressed by Nazi cops. I mean it doesn't even matter that they're specifically inhibiting cops from doing their job since all cops are Nazis anyway - I know that's a fact because of one guy's anecdotal story.

So it totally doesn't matter that the innocent black bloc angels broke some things a few times, the police shouldn't have thought that they could have broken more things in Charlottesville and instead only focused on the people I don't like and Trump's a meanie face for saying mean things about my friends too."

This is quickly becoming a bad joke, Mr. Woods - more so than it already was, anyway. Antifa will stop being equally bad when it stops acting like it, not because the alt-right is bad as well.

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Posted by Pat Holden on 02/22/2018 at 10:35 PM

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