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Re: “Reader: Incline traffic is out of control on Barr Trail

I hate to suggest this, but perhaps requiring admission or some kind of park pass would help? $1-$5 per person to hike, not unreasonable, and would also fund restoration.

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Posted by Toni Nadeau on 06/23/2017 at 4:32 PM

Re: “Reader: Incline traffic is out of control on Barr Trail

This is not unique. Parks, local, state and federal are seeing record visitors; RMNP went from an average of 3.2 million up until 2014 to 4.2 in 2015, 4.5 in 2016. Sometimes you are restricted where in the park can drive now. Visiting parks the last 3 springs, summers and falls has been incredible; good to see people "Discovering" their parks, sad to see what over usage does. Particularly as people are ignorant of or flat breaking rules.

Providing more access by making new trails may not be the answer either. This only accelerates degredation.

What do we do?

Dave Beadles

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Posted by William David Beadles on 06/23/2017 at 3:42 PM

Re: “Reader: Incline traffic is out of control on Barr Trail

Have patience; the north return trail is still on the radar. Parking is a bigger problem right now, as is doing repairs to the upper third next year. These things always take longer than everybody thinks they should. The north return trail will require Forest Service approval and an environmental assessment, so don't get too antsy.

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Posted by jrbd on 06/23/2017 at 3:42 PM

Re: “Pikes Peak Summit Complex still worthy of higher cost

Sounds to me like we need to get a few more people involved in the bidding process.

Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 06/22/2017 at 7:38 PM

Re: “Reader: We all know why the Civil War took place

I dont know why anyone with ancestors that were in that War North or South should be ashamed. Its not like we had a damn thing to do with it. Your oath is very honorable but did you ever think thats the same oath both sides of that War were following. Its kind of like being ashamed of being German because your great grandfather was in the German Army. The wealthy from both sides started the War over commerce a big part of that commerce was slaves. It was the poor or less then wealthy that spilled the blood.Kind of like today it sure as hell ant the rich kids dying in our Wars. The only thing to be ashamed of is the use of Historical artifacts as racist propaganda now.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 06/22/2017 at 3:10 PM

Re: “Enjoy your freedom to die

I wonder if creepy, nasty, poisonous old Jim Hightower recalls the uplifting Jonathan Edwards song "Sunshine?" The lyrics, "He can't even run his own life, I'll be damned if he'll run mine" remain powerful today as left-wing ideologues continue to try to control people's lives.

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Posted by John Howell on 06/22/2017 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Reader: We all know why the Civil War took place

racist pig? do you kiss your mamma with that mouth boy? does it make you angry that you are wrong? does it make you angry that you are uneducated? does it make you angry that you don't have a clue what happened or how it happened? ARE YA MAD BRO? WELL ARE YA? what a bag of jokes!!!!

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 06/20/2017 at 12:27 PM

Re: “Reader: We all know why the Civil War took place

it was ALWAYS about slavery you pathetic racist pig JW

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Posted by apathetic on 06/20/2017 at 11:48 AM

Re: “Reader: Thank God the South lost the war

well, if your own people hadn't have sold you into slavery we wouldn't even be having this discussion. so id lay blame where it should go.

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 06/20/2017 at 11:19 AM

Re: “Reader: We all know why the Civil War took place

Are you insane? do you even read or know history? your letter shows you don't get it AT ALL. ok lets start with some history, the colonists came to america to avoid religious prosecution , and a big government telling them how to live every facet of their lives. they made a good run at it got a country up and running , fought hard to keep their land and tend their crops to feed their people. This went well for a while, alot of trade and commerce came and went. from slaves to products. (slaves were brought by over by dutch and other immigrates in the form of INDENTURED SERVITUDE.) That's right they broke laws and were paying for it. slaves caught on over here as a form of labor. Many of the people in the south DID NOT own slaves, only a few very wealthy people did. now to the civil war..... it wasn't about slaves NEVER WAS..... it was about a government coming into people lives and telling them what they can and cannot do less than 100 yrs after their fathers and mothers fought to get out from under such oppression. They didn't like the fact that this new government was AGAIN telling them how to live.....did the government till the ground? did it plant the crops? did it harvest them? then how did the government have the right to tell them what to do? THIS WAS THE MIND SET. and they went to war over it. IT WAS NEVER ABOUT SLAVES BUT THE FREEDOM TO DO THEY WISHED.

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 06/20/2017 at 11:16 AM

Re: “Reader: I'm fed up with the hate being spewed at the symbols of our history

south = racsim = evil

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Posted by apathetic on 06/20/2017 at 8:56 AM

Re: “Reader: We all know why the Civil War took place

SO good!

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Posted by apathetic on 06/20/2017 at 8:52 AM

Re: “This course doesn’t need teachers?

That's a great way to look at it Dana. I feel the human contact is key to have a well rounded educations. THis is something computers can not match.

Posted by Thomas Russell on 06/19/2017 at 9:16 PM

Re: “The 'teachers' in this lab are dead

Superb writing Independent! How could it not be? Jim and Bonnie are incredible, passionate, kind and really know their stuff!!! I have been Jim's patient for over two years and love every weekly session, sometimes two sessions, that I have. Acupuncture has provided so many healthy benefits for me. I'll be switching from an organ donor to a full body donor. It would be very helpful to know how to make donations to the lab. I was surprised the article did not have that information. To have such a unique and positive educational program here in our beautiful city is so awesome. I personally am ready to make a donation. Who else is with me?

Posted by Debbie H on 06/18/2017 at 10:32 AM
Posted by Karl Ray on 06/15/2017 at 8:20 PM

Re: “Reader: Support full investigation of Russian influence or resign

Whose tool is this fool?
Of course the Ruskies used social media to their advantage! He claims that we're above that? LOL! There's an MOS for that!…

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Posted by Karl Ray on 06/15/2017 at 8:11 PM

Re: “Region must be proactive on transportation, and here's how to do it


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Posted by apathetic on 06/15/2017 at 7:56 PM

Re: “The 'teachers' in this lab are dead

Great article! Jim was my acupuncturist. There's a reason he is so good- he knows his anatomy like no other.

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Posted by Kelly Smith 1 on 06/15/2017 at 6:56 PM

Re: “Reader: Why not choose clean, sustainable energy anyways?

Mr. Scuba fox: Here we go with the same government talkie talk. Starting a total make over of coal fired plants COST MONEY. Up front right now money. Is it better? Will it eventually pay for its self? YES. But up front is big money. The small Solar system we had at a house in the Springs cost us over $10,000.00 just to buy the equipment then about that much to get it installed. Yes our bills went to nothing most months afterwards and that was paying for itself but the up front was a bunch. Now imagine the scale your talking about and getting an elected official to sign off on those costs.GOOD LUCK! Some States and Cities passed the buck off on private companies and take a look at there rates.Peublo rates are nuts Denver ant much better. I wont argue that clean energy is needed and watching and breathing the green clouds over the cities I grew up in was terrible and we have made huge advances since the 60s and 70s but real life dictates what the reasons why things are not now moving faster.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 06/15/2017 at 4:17 PM

Re: “Reader: Why not choose clean, sustainable energy anyways?

Mr Rocky Smith. Regarding your statement: "COST! First there is no money. Yes they could raise the price of elect. service but that puts more of a problem on consumers and many cant afford it now."

The *cost* to the public doesn't go away because it's not directly paid for. The public pays by the effects of pollution on public health ... who pays that? And also there's the cost of, yes despite rampant denial, the VERY REAL effects of Global Warming that's an Existential Threat to Life on Earth. What's that worth to you. Google, "The Physics of Global Warming" Powell.

You reveal yourself to be the "other kind of socialist" ... the "cost redistribution" kind of socialist. Yes, you're a socialist ... the kind you love.

Plus, costs documented at are passed onto the public to the tune of:

Production Fossil Fuel Subsidies $4.7 B / year.

There are a number of tax preferences, described below, available in the United States to producers of fossil fuels. The preferences below are all permanent provisions in the tax code. The annual revenue costs estimated for each provision are taken from the Mid-Session Review of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2015, which is available here:

Provision descriptions are derived from the General Explanation of the Administrations Revenue Proposal, sometimes referred to as the Treasury Green Book, which is available here:…

In total, the United States government has identified eleven Federal fossil fuel production tax provisions, as shown below. Combined, these provisions total USD 4.7 billion in annual revenue cost (nominal annual average figure based on the 10-year revenue estimate). The provisions are listed in order of greatest annual revenue cost to least.…

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Posted by scubafox on 06/15/2017 at 1:20 PM

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