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Re: “Let’s fix stormwater now

An except from 2015 EPA report cited in the EPA lawsuit that speaks to how seriously the City takes stormwater issues:

"Of the 105 projects on the CIP [Capital Improvement Program] list, it appeared that four stormwater oriented projects were included and slated for funding in 2015:
Companion Drainage Projects $412,000
Drainage Basin Planning Studies $150,000
Emergency Drainage Repairs High Priority $500,000
Infrastructure Damage Repair $80,000."

Though the City couldn't seem to find a high enough priority for much stormwater spending in 2015's Capital Improvement Budget, here's what the City DID find funding for on that list (taken from 2015 Budget):

Downtown Streetscape Project $864,000
Museum Exterior Renovation $299,550
Museum HVAC Upgrades $200,000
On-Street Bikeway Improvements $411,970
Summit House Design $1,500,000
Fire Station Bathroom Remodel: $517,625 (2019)

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 10/30/2017 at 12:07 AM

Re: “One class of landowner would get special treatment under city’s stormwater fees

I have been saying for years the city has been approaching the legal issues all wrong. With the challenges the city has been facing with water availability this issue should be coupled with a fight to reinterpret the Water Law of the West.

Certainly first users have claim to the natural runoff. But any excess runoff should be claimed by the creators of that runoff. The City should claim its right to use that excess for its own purposes. That water should be captured and purified into the city water system or traded as irrigation water to downstream users in exchange for upstream water.

Such would provide a couple of benefits. It would help to alleviate water crises we have experienced. It also would tactically redirect the legal fight to being between downstream users and Pueblo, who is wishing to restrict that flow.

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Posted by Keith Hamburger on 10/29/2017 at 11:41 AM

Re: “Where the hell is Kekistan?

While leftist Antifa babies and righty confederates get salty when their precious flags are burned, it takes a whole lot more than just burning the Kekistan flag to make Kekistanis salty ;)

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Posted by Kekistan Ambassador on 10/28/2017 at 11:29 PM

Re: “Let’s fix stormwater now

With ten days to go (as of this posting date) and with only 9% of the ballots returned as of the 19th - - do you think the stormwater measure will PASS or FAIL with the voters in a low turnout election with multiple tax measures on the ballot?

Posted by Robert Gentry on 10/28/2017 at 2:19 PM

Re: “Let’s fix stormwater now

issued needs to be addressed but charging $5 to large and small is not right, fee doesnt have to be
exact proportion, but some fairness , set Tier levels of property , such as small $2, medium $4, large $6, huge 8
small - apts, medium lot size to 5000, large lot size to 10,000, huge over 10,000 .

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Posted by apathetic on 10/28/2017 at 10:54 AM

Re: “Reader: Manitou needs an explination

Keep Manitou Weird Again! Also most elections are run this way, not really that crazy.

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Posted by Matt 1 on 10/28/2017 at 9:51 AM

Re: “Twelve false claims about 2A

Man Suthers sure loves fees. I noticed he also must love him some Anschutz, odd his buddy at the Broadmoor doesnt get a big tax increase? You mean all of his land is exempt form our big city tax or fee or whatever they are trying to call it. So we get a rain tax and the Broadmoor and developers who owe huge portions of this city get nothing!!! Wake up people, odd the Gazette and the editorial staff is all for this tax ( oh yea they are owned by Anschutz/ Broadmoor) duh!

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Posted by el jef'e on 10/28/2017 at 7:58 AM

Re: “Routon honored by Mayor John Suthers with Spirit of the Springs Award

In a small town where gratuitous awards are handed out like halloween candy - this is one award that has been a long time coming and one richly deserved. Thank you Ralph!

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Posted by R Wehner on 10/28/2017 at 2:52 AM

Re: “Reader: Manitou needs an explination

Explanation can't anyone spell anymore?

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Posted by Shannon Simmons on 10/28/2017 at 12:34 AM

Re: “Regional Building Department gives away nearly $1 million in donations

Thank you Pam for this report on the OUTRAGEOUS misuse of City govt excess revenue by the Pikes Peak Regional Building Dept. Govt and its agencies are not a Sugar Daddy that disburses excess profits to various non-profits considered by them to be deserving of public largess. Govt has no business participating in charitable projects because doing so is the responsibility of the citizenry. Any excess RBD profits should be returned to the City and used solely for stormwater and/or road maintenance both legitimate govt functions. This, in turn, will reduce the amount of new taxes the City asks the voters to pay. And, of course, the RBD fees for the next year should be reduced. And WHY are RBD employees being charitable with OUR not THEIR own personal money and not doing what is called for by the IGA? Is our City governed by laws or by the feel good whims of its bureaucrats? The citizens of COS are generous and can be depended upon to be charitable. The Indy Give and Gazette year-end annual campaigns together collect more than $2M from the citizenry for our local non-profits. Govt participation will only result in less participation by the citizens because govt has taken from the citizens the money they would otherwise have had available to donate and, more importantly, because the citizenry now view charitable giving as the responsibility of govt.

Learning that Utilities also wants to be a Sugar Daddy and is seeking Councils permission to donate to charitable causes is OUTRAGEOUS. Utilities responsibility is to its customers. Using utility revenue to disburse funds to its pet charities is OBSCENE. Instead, Utilities should reduce utility charges to its customers, which will make it possible for the citizens to afford to pay their utility bills as well as to donate to whatever charity THEY want to support.

And THANK YOU to our Council representatives Pico, Knight, and Murray, members of the Finance Committee, who understand the duties of govt and are attempting to repel the onslaughts by the spenders of other peoples money by progressives/socialists on the Council and within City govt.

On a related issue the Mayor and his allies lie to us and instead of being truthful, deceive us - VOTE NO on 2A.

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Posted by curious on 10/27/2017 at 2:33 PM

Re: “Let’s fix stormwater now

Issue 300 passed by the votes of Colorado Springs citizens. Issue 300 did not preclude collecting stormwater "fees." What it prevented was collecting those "fees" for stormwater and letting the stormwater enterprise use those "fees" to write big fat checks to the City to be used for whatever it wanted.

After the passage of Issue 300, City Council at that time was faced with two options:

1) "Keep the fees within the stormwater enterprise to do stormwater work (instead of collecting the fees for stormwater and passing the money on to be used for whatever the City government wanted); or

2) Disband the enterprise.

Ultimately, Council disbanded the enterprise because...what's the point of collecting taxes diguised as fees if you can't put them into a city slush fund and use them how you want?

Issue 2A is openly creating a slush fund. The mayor, Skorman and others are saying, "give us stormwater money and we'll shell game the money for whatever we feel like using it for."

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 10/27/2017 at 2:31 PM

Re: “The Indy's picks for the 2017 Coordinated Elections

@Mike who knew budgeting was so simple!!

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Posted by Matt 2 on 10/27/2017 at 11:23 AM

Re: “Twelve false claims about 2A

I'm sick and tired of City Counsel & the Mayor wanting more money in Fees and or Taxes and the bait and switch that is going on. When the former mayor gave away MILLIONS to Mayor Bach's buddies who retired early and now you keep telling us you need more and move money for the city budget? Now you say we don't have the money to cover for this when you already increased storm water fee before. I am a single paycheck homeowner and I refuse to pay another $5 a month or any more money for school taxes.

Also, If it is for storm water improvements, then why is the money also going to the Police funding? Why is the Marijuana tax money not going for school improvements and needs? Those taxes were added to the school budget, and then Governor diverted the State budget money designated for schools to other things. This is so WRONG!

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Posted by guruD on 10/27/2017 at 11:10 AM

Re: “The Indy's picks for the 2017 Coordinated Elections

@Robear23 Stormwater already IS in the budget, to the tune of about $17Million. The City has complained that this amount is not sufficient to handle the backlog of problems. Now here is the fun part, if you piece together all of the separate, but related, news articles on this. What you find is that the new "fee" will raise about $17Million in funding. The City has also suggested that, with this new dedicated funding, the existing money in the budget can be used on other things, like hiring police officers and buying police cars.

OK, get your calculator out, and remember that $17Million is not enough to handle the problem. Punch in $17Million (existing amount of money), then add another $17Million (the new fee money), then subtract $17Million (the existing money that we are going to reallocate to police projects) and hit the "=" button to see how much of an increase in spending we are going to see for stormwater. What is that number? I very nice "0"!!! Huh? But we were told $17Million was not enough? And it still won't be.

If the city were required to keep spending the current $17Million on stormwater, AND ALSO the new $17Million, this might be a good idea. But that is not the plan. The plan is to play the same old shell game that has put them behind for years.

Stormwater is a definite "NO VOTE!!!"

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Posted by Mike Randall on 10/27/2017 at 10:58 AM

Re: “Twelve false claims about 2A

rm lady is a teabagger that would prefer to live in a third world country city if it saved her a few pennies.

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Posted by happyfew on 10/27/2017 at 9:55 AM

Re: “Twelve false claims about 2A

Blogger Happy Few is a developer. Of course, he wants to scam lower income folks and seniors out of more money to put in his pocket.

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Posted by RM Lady Liberty on 10/27/2017 at 8:26 AM

Re: “Twelve false claims about 2A

"bait and switch" sounds good on a bumper sticker or yard sign (i'm sure your slumlord buddy will have many of these printed) but the money will get spent one way or another. It can come from the 2A funds or it can come out of the general fund. we either pay up or screw over our cops and firemen. a 2001 increase... really... teabaggers are such cheap wads, but will be the first to bitch about things not getting taken care of. If we do not find a suitable source of funding the EPA fines will only increase so we could throw more money away that way if the teabaggers have their way... come on old fart teabaggers think long term for once.

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Posted by happyfew on 10/27/2017 at 8:18 AM

Re: “Let’s fix stormwater now

Our water bill was ridiculous last month. Seems like CSU has plenty of our extra money already to cover that $5/month per residence.

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Posted by mizzo on 10/26/2017 at 11:16 PM

Re: “Twelve false claims about 2A

Thanks Helen. Sounds like we need to get rid of some of these crooks in city council.

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Posted by Mikeb45 on 10/26/2017 at 8:28 PM

Re: “Reader: I want to live where people respect each other and the environment

Rick, Ive lived here 41 years, my aunt and uncle since 1946. The changes have been numerous, not all good. I cant disagree with you; people have lost pride in themselves and community.


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Posted by William David Beadles on 10/26/2017 at 3:34 PM

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